silver said:Holy crap. I've been registered for this site for 10 years, and I have only 7 posts
Voldo said:Could someone who knows more about the movie add it to IMDb? It's not there as far as I know. Would be cool to have a page for it.
http://www.imdb.com/updates?update=title
Even if he was never actually that happy? Remember, he only realized what he had as it was fading away. And I can't recall a single time where he was this expressive -- sharing a big, toothy, open-mouthed smile with his comrades after a battle. When Guts shows his teeth, it's normally to be menacing. When he expressed a genuine smile, it's usually just a conservative grin. If you can think of a parallel to the poster in the manga, please show us.BloodyDevil said:It is a very good idea that they choose to show Guts' happiness while he is in the Band of the Falcon (and so before all the suffering he will endure).
Walter said:Even if he was never actually that happy? Remember, he only realized what he had as it was fading away. And I can't recall a single time where he was this expressive -- sharing a big, toothy, open-mouthed smile with his comrades after a battle. When Guts shows his teeth, it's normally to be menacing. When he expressed a genuine smile, it's usually just a conservative grin. If you can think of a parallel to the poster in the manga, please show us.
PS: And the character art on the inside jacket of Vol 5 shouldn't count!
The most we get out of him in that scene is a menacing grin and a goofy smile drawn in a cartoonish way. It's not the same emotion at all.BloodyDevil said:I was thinking of the scene when he is with Griffith for the water battle (with buckets). If I remember well, it was in the first or second quarter of the fifth volume.
What are these "such things?" Exaggerating the main character's emotions? Could I rephrase your statement to mean: Miura's work wasn't suited for mass appeal. By making Guts smile more, it is. ?I know that we didn't often see Guts in that state but for the movies, I think it's an easy way to show that Guts was happy to be in the Band of the Falcon : it is the golden age. I know that's really not the usual face of Guts but it is a movie and I think they want to touch also a new public so they think they need to do such things.
Walter said:The most we get out of him in that scene is a menacing grin and a goofy smile drawn in a cartoonish way. It's not the same emotion at all.
Here's the trouble: if you have to really hunt for this image, it's a problem. It's not a natural face for Guts. I'm not saying Guts wasn't happy. He was just never THAT happy.
What are these "such things?" Exaggerating the main character's emotions? Could I rephrase your statement to mean: Miura's work wasn't suited for mass appeal. By making Guts smile more, it is. ?
ApostleBob said:The method Guts chooses in the manga says a lot about his one track mind at the time, and is a springboard for his later character growth. He even blows off the choice Griffith gives him and treats it like any other order. So there are many good reasons to keep it the way it the way Miura wrote it at the time.
ApostleBob said:To the argument that Guts wasn't famous yet, well I'm not so sure. Guts and Griffith were the only known people to survive a massacre by Zodd, a legendary warrior. This caused a lot of gossip and celebrity status for at least Griffith, if not Guts to some degree. Guts and Griffith were the only known people to survive a massacre by Zodd, a legendary warrior. This caused a lot of gossip and celebrity status for at least Griffith, if not Guts to some degree.
ApostleBob said:Is it therefore an unforgivable change to have Guts perform the assassination with something to cover his face, and a non-distinct long sword? It's not as if he's wearing some elaborate assassin mask; it's just a bandanna to cover his face. It doesn't alter the method he takes or the sequence of events, but rather makes Guts seem a little less oblivious as to the trouble he could cause for the entire Band of the Hawk by murdering the King's brother and nephew. He's still stubborn and impulsive by using a big sword to carry it out, and as far as we can tell, he still kills Adonis.
ApostleBob said:As far as the argument that Guts is so attached to his sword that he would never, ever use anything else... Well, he's shown a willingness as the Black Swordsman to use a variety of weapons to deal with the task at hand, including throwing knives, crossbows, and cannons. This however, could just be evidence of how Guts has grown as a warrior over time.
ApostleBob said:From my point of view, this is a change that can at least be rationalized quite well, unlike the fact that Guts duels Griffith with his Raider's sword, which implies huge changes with Doldrey. A change like that undermines many bigger issues, such as the stakes of the battle with Boscogn, Zodd's intervention, plus the loss of symbolism when Guts's sword is severed on his last battle for the Hawks. I can't judge it until I see how it's all handled, but this change should cause far more concern.
BloodyDevil said:When I told it was a good idea it was because more people would be interested in the movies >__<
Deci said:on revision, they still didn't get the hawks logo right on Guts' cape...
Lithrael said:I hate to butt heads with our mighty forum elders but I've got no problem with the gross simplification of the Hawks logo. It's as simple as 'we can save x amount of hours and time by not drawing it right except in closeups' and it's not a detail I can be angry with them for sacrificing. It's standard. Same thing happens to my lovely Autobot and Decepticon sigils at most levels of detail. As long as they draw it correctly when it's very large or the focus of the scene I am happy to forgive them that liberty.
Deci said:This is barely news but this was posted on Clara_de_Porras twitter:
Picture of Adonis, not sure what it says, but the top cover looks a lot like the script to Golden Age I.
Deci said:
And my browser translated something like "a new character ???" right before the link to the image, that's sorta disturbing...
Señor Caudillo said:But no, it seems more likely to me that Clara is just letting the fans know that Adonis is the latest character on whom the 4°C animation production team has finished working on, meaning that his animation and/or seiyuu voice recording for the movie has been completed. If that is indeed the case, we can expect to see Adonis' character profile put up on the Berserk film website very soon. And hopefully, perhaps they'll follow it up with Gambino, Skull Knight and kid Guts, along with a slew of other characters who are yet to appear in either the trailers, promo shots or posters
Sachiel from Evangelion: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfyo50vouL1qe0rnyo1_400.jpgSeñor Caudillo said:Yeah, and which "new character" would that be? Kenny McCormick, who is holding Guts' storyboard sketch to the green cardboard?
Don't get your feathers all ruffled! Miura's own design for the logo changes over time. Check this image out from volume 23, when Guts reflects on Midland disappearing. Versus a much earlier appearance here in volume 6.Deci said:Sword should be wider, the hilt wider and it should extend much farther down. Logo in general is skinnier.
Very simple thing that you should have probably checked before you posted: it varies. Sometimes it's 9 feathers per side. Sometimes it's 11. Nothing to get all nerdy over. In this image, from volume 8, there are 9 per side. I also counted one in the background here that has 8 feathers. And one that looks like the one from the Saga project. It also doesn't mean very much...Very simple thing that you guys should probably know by now: How many feathers should the logo have?
22. 11 on each side. NOT EIGHT! on each side.
VERY WRONG!
Wholeheartedly agree. I really didn't intend for the logo to become this big of an issue. I imagine it's just an easy one to grasp, but there are indeed much bigger changes in store for the saga.Griffith said:Concerning the Falcon logo, though it does speak to the limits of the production, it is indeed relatively insignificant compared to some of the serious inconsistencies we've seen, namely things effecting the plot. The reason I point this out is I don't want those substantive complaints to be equated with something superficial like the lacking quality of the insignia. Frankly, it's frustrating that with all the bigger issues we've seen, this one has caught on in this thread while more significant problems are largely ignored or dismissed. I'd much rather we talk about how almost everything we've seen has been notably altered, how the '97 anime we condemn for lack of faithfulness looks downright reverent by comparison, or why some overlook or ignore these things and treat this adaptation more sacrosanct than, ya know, the original story.
I was just going to post it(with a disclaimer that it shouldn't count anyway)Walter said:PS: And the character art on the inside jacket of Vol 5 shouldn't count!
Lithrael said:It's as simple as 'we can save x amount of hours and time by not drawing it right except in closeups' and it's not a detail I can be angry with them for sacrificing.
Señor Caudillo said:Yeah, and which "new character" would that be? Kenny McCormick, who is holding Guts' storyboard sketch to the green cardboard? Or that little Neko Majin chilling, safely tucked beneath Guts' cape?
Very disturbing, if either of these two is actually going to be introduced as the new character in the movie
Deci said:It's unsettling also because I assume this animation team is well aware of how fanatical the core fan base for Berserk is. We're the people that'd go see the movie 15+ times if it did the series justice, ya know? You'd think they'd be a bit more cautious with this shit.
Griffith said:Concerning the Falcon logo, though it does speak to the limits of the production, it is indeed relatively insignificant compared to some of the serious inconsistencies we've seen, namely things effecting the plot. The reason I point this out is I don't want those substantive complaints to be equated with something superficial like the lacking quality of the insignia. Frankly, it's frustrating that with all the bigger issues we've seen, this one has caught on in this thread while more significant problems are largely ignored or dismissed. I'd much rather we talk about how almost everything we've seen has been notably altered, how the '97 anime we condemn for lack of faithfulness looks downright reverent by comparison, or why some overlook or ignore these things and treat this adaptation more sacrosanct than, ya know, the original story.
Aazealh said:I'm not sure it's much of a gain of time to not draw it properly. Furthermore, it's on 3D models, isn't it? So they'd just have to do it once and it'd be good forever. Just sayin'.
Lithrael said:Any occasion where it is hand drawn it makes a ginormous difference having a simpler shape to draw rather than a more complex one, if you can get away with it.