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Speculation Nation / Re: How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: March 16, 2018, 07:59:31 AM »
It's a completely different word.
Hahaha duly noted, and duly edited. That's what I get for speaking about something I don't understand. I had a vague memory that I had heard something to this effect on the podcast but I realize now that I was totally muddled in my memory of it. I must have confused the "source of existence" stuff you mentioned upthread and in the water metaphors discussion with the fact that some other translations of episode 307 say "the idea of 'tree'" in order to get accross the concept of being an archetype. I probably could have avoided this confusion if I had been paying better attention when you pointed out the Greek usage of the word "Idea" in the case of IoE, and how it's different from English. Totally my bad.

EDIT: Oh and regarding this
however it doesn't tell us anything about the World of Ideas itself.
I'm on the same page as you there:
With that said, I'm not sure if we really learn anything about the World of Ideas from this.

Speculation Nation / Re: How much do we know about the World of Ideas?
« on: March 16, 2018, 05:56:08 AM »
I'm pretty sure I've seen someone mention it before, but I'm not sure where, and it seems pretty relevant here: in episode 307, the narrator talks about the World Spiral Tree, and in Puella's translations on the forum (really a wonderful resource!), it says "It is like an origin rooted deeply in mankind, the 'tree' itself." Her footnote on the word "origin" says this: "The furigana for this word says 'origin' in English, but the kanji can mean 'archetype' or 'model'". I believe this is the same language used for the Idea of Evil, but I basically know zero Japanese, so please correct me if I got that wrong [EDIT: I was totally wrong]. Either way, it seems like a pretty clear reference to the theory of forms, and by association, the World of Ideas.

With that said, I'm not sure if we really learn anything about the World of Ideas from this. We already had an explanation as to what the Tree really is (the whole Road of Dragons thing) and that explanation doesn't incorporate the World of Ideas explicitly. Regardless, if you're looking for hints, that has to be one of the biggest ones we get.

Speculation Nation / Re: Will Casca return to Griffith?
« on: March 06, 2018, 08:44:01 PM »
[...] What if it's Guts that ends up having doubts? He's been stricken with guilt for abandoning Casca and has tried his hardest to make things right. If Casca returns to normal, leaving all the crap behind and starting a new life with her at his side might start to sound tempting. Conversely, we don't know how fresh the Eclipse is in Casca's mind. Does she remember the time that's passed, or will it be like waking a day after? She might feel even more hatred that Guts for what happened.[...]
[emphasis added]

I think if there's one thing the past episode has made pretty clear, it's that there will be no "return to normal" - and I think that's in large part what SK's warning is about. Guts wants to get back the Casca he knew in the Golden age, but SK warns him that that's not how people work. Even without deep, psychological trauma, you cannot unlive your experiences, any more than you can un-ring a bell. To quote  the late great Sir Terry Pratchett, "anything that happens stays happened". This, to me, is the biggest reason to discredit theories about Casca "going back", be it to Griffith or Guts, or to being the commander of the Hawks. Her character is going to move forward, not back. It's much more exciting that way, too. After all this time, she deserves the chance to grow, rather than to regress.

(incidentally I don't mean to be overly nitpicky about your wording, I just drew attention to it to help make a point :) )

Speculation Nation / Re: Casca & The Idea of Evil
« on: February 26, 2018, 05:57:32 PM »
It's up to interpretation at this point. But the double helix design isn't exclusive to the abyss. It's been shown in a few different ways throughout the series (the brand, the IoE's appendages, the World Spiral Tree, the Falcon of Light insignia, etc.). [...]

Definitely, the spiral motif is in a lot of important places in Berserk, and absolutely this is all open to interpretation - this is the speculation nation after all :) But just to clarify, I was referring more specifically to the fact that the helix is composed of blurred-together, screaming faces. That's the aspect of it that evokes the abyss to me, and less the fact that it's a spiral. (although the prevalence of the spiral motif is interesting... foreshadowing a Gurren Lagann crossover? :troll: )

Welcome to the forum SleepersWake  :ubik:

I agree that articulating the feeling such imagery and connotations give off is pretty hard and as you say grasping at smoke but in all honesty I think you've said what I was thinking better than I could say it myself.
Thanks for the warm welcome, Lord Leith! I love the irony that I, going by "SleepersWake" should be welcomed by you, who go by a homophone for the soporific River Lethe (at least in an anglicized pronunciation, which I have just learned is completely wrong. Oh well.)

Speculation Nation / Re: Casca & The Idea of Evil
« on: February 25, 2018, 10:25:25 PM »
Hello all! Some thoughts from a new kid on the block:

I was also struck by the visual similarity between the Idea and Casca's heart-fragment (and it sent a chill down my veins). Looking again, though, there are some interesting differences. The most important one, I think, is that the helix and heart aren't shown together. The helix looks as though it's spiraling down from the vortex around them, and solidifying into the heart and the thorns. Once the heart is whole, the helix is gone - so as others have said, I don't think the IoE is directly involved per se.

That being said, I can't ignore the way the helix itself is depicted: as a spiraling stream of vague, screaming faces. That imagery has been used in relation to the Abyss a few too many times to dismiss. That could just be to convey the hellish nature of Casca's memories, and nothing more cosmic - but there *could* be more to it, especially since Berserk's lore makes little to no distinction between the psyche and the spirit.

I've always interpreted that the progressively deeper layers of the astral realms are related to progressively deeper layers of the human psyche. Given the sheer depth of Casca's trauma, could she somehow be connected to deeper astral layers? Thanks to her brand, she is tied to the interstice, the shallowest astral layer. I think it's possible that the equally indelible marks on her soul (the "hex/curse" on her "heart") connect her even more profoundly. I don't necessarily think she's going to awaken with magical Abyss-powers - Berserk's metaphysics rarely work in such direct, linear ways - but it could still be significant. I dunno. Trying to articulate this feels a bit like grasping at smoke, but I feel like there might be something to this concept. Thoughts?

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