Proj2501 said:Does the vortex of souls still apply to Ganishka and say it does, since Ganishka's now 1000 times bigger than normal apostles does that mean the vortex will also be that huge? If the size of the vortex is relative to the size of the apostle, could such a large vortex pose a threat to those in the immediate area?
Like Walter said, you really shouldn't be thinking of Ganishka as a simple apostle anymore. What will happen now will be unique and unlike anything we've seen before. And the Vortex of Souls is and has always been huge. Bigger than Ganishka is right now.
Henry Spencer said:Seriously though, Ganishka will probably turn back into his normal form after being defeated and then be forced into the Vortex.
Probably not.
Proj2501 said:The vortex of souls is the only thing that I can see neatly cleaning the whole mess up.
The point of this all happening is that it's not going to be neatly cleaned up though.
Proj2501 said:But did it ever clearly state that Rakshas was indeed a boneified Apostle? Or do we just assume he is because he's serving Griffith? Because even regular humans, Mule for instance, follow Griffith.
From the get go, he has what appears to be 3 eyes, insane reflexes and pointy arachnid like arms. ALL other apostles look human and none have ever exhibited the ability to squish themselves into tiny balls and stick to things.
Grunbeld is a giant. Maybe he's not an apostle but a proud warrior of the mysterious northern lands! What you're saying reminds me of the people that have been saying ever since those characters were introduced that they weren't actually apostles. At first it was all 5 of them, then as each revealed his apostle form, it was one less. Recently the confirmation that yes, Irvine is an apostle was a harsh blow to them. Now they only have Rakshas left. It's true that nowhere in the manga is directly stated "Rakshas is an apostle". Does that mean he isn't one, though? No.
Yes, he has strange abilities, but no stranger than those of some other apostles. He was originally from the Bakiraka, warriors that develop and train their bodies in extreme ways. Look at the group that was sent in pursuit of Griffith in Wyndham's sewers. Look at the Tapasa. So having become an apostle, this sort of stuff is exactly what I'd expect from him. As for being an experiment, while I love Ganishka and Daiba, what we've seen of their magic wasn't quite enough to create the equivalent of an apostle, much less one of Rakshas' caliber.
Jaze1618 said:Not the most important part of your post, but as a side note. We actually haven't always seen this.. Or at least Miura has stopped giving it attention. [...] Has anyone else ever noticed this, or stopped to think about it before?
I agree with Walter. We're not shown this everytime because it'd be quite redundant if we were. In the same vein, when Guts kills the first Makara they encounter, on the beach, we're not shown it transforming directly, but after a few panels you can see that it's reverted to a whale. The transforming process of apostles is sometimes skipped as well. For example we haven't directly seen Locus fuse with his horse yet.
Jaze1618 said:correct, but it all things were consistent I'd expect to see a the clouds darken and at least a strong breeze to blow through the fore ground as all of this is happening.
When it came to take Wyald there were no dark clouds and no strong breeze. The phenomenon was impressive because Guts & co were watching it intently, but it's not something that couldn't happen in the background of a fight. There's also the matter of delay: the Vortex might not always come to take them immediately.
Griffith said:On the subject of Apostle deaths and the appearance of the vortex, I think we're trying too hard to apply hard fast rules here. Their absence could simply mean it doesn't always happen, or at least isn't always a spectacle. Even the Count and Wyald were relatively unique cases in and of themselves, and just going by what we actually see, it's really been the overall norm that we don't see anything like that happen when an Apostle is killed, the special occasion being when we do.
Actually the Count's case is even more of an exception because the Vortex took him on its front door and not in the material world. And that's why it happened the way it did (he was literally dragged into it, screaming and "kicking"). I'm quite sure myself that apostles always return to the Vortex of Souls upon death, however like you say it doesn't necessarily have to be a spectacle. Wyald is the only case we've seen that we can rely on for a comparison, and it was showcased as an especially terrifying supernatural event for the humans looking at it happening.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:I don't want to keep going on the vortex thing but what if it does make an appearance and Ganishka is so big that not even God (haha) could eat him all and the shit just blows up every where depositing all of the evil or what not into the world.
You're all assuming that Ganishka didn't tap into the Vortex of Souls itself to transform in the first place. Yet the fact he's become a multitude somewhat hints at this.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:I was thinking about Rakshas... all though he was exiled from Silat's tribe I wonder if Ganishka was there during that time. If he was, why did he get rid of Rakshas? I person with his talents could do very well serving for him.
It's a good question, but I think you're assuming a little too much stuff. For one thing, we don't know who exiled the Bakiraka, nor if Rakshas was banished before or after it happened (or consequently, if it was his fault for example). We also don't know what Ganishka's role was in all of this, but Silat didn't seem to think he was related from what we've seen of them interacting. And the one who banished Rakshas from the clan was most likely its leader (Silat's father?) and not the Kushan emperor.