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even the horses are cut in half!
a bit off topic but I just notice we're one episode away before completing volume 34. Can't wait to see what Miura will do for that cover!
Oburi said:I have a question.
After we see the world being covered in light all the sudden we see the unicorns getting chased around and then some peasants who end up getting chased as well. Does this mean that the light covering the world dissapeared? Like after the light spread across the globe it went away and pretty much everything went back to normal except now we have magical creatures around. Even the peasants looked like they went right back to work cutting lumber or something. Is the whole "light covering the planet" part done? If so, I think the transition could have been made a little more clear, unless some serious time has past.
jackson_hurley said:a bit off topic but I just notice we're one episode away before completing volume 34. Can't wait to see what Miura will do for that cover!
Oburi said:After we see the world being covered in light all the sudden we see the unicorns getting chased around and then some peasants who end up getting chased as well. Does this mean that the light covering the world dissapeared? Like after the light spread across the globe it went away and pretty much everything went back to normal except now we have magical creatures around. Even the peasants looked like they went right back to work cutting lumber or something. Is the whole "light covering the planet" part done? If so, I think the transition could have been made a little more clear, unless some serious time has past.
DrPepperPro said:Or maybe there's just not enough astral stuff to go around, so some regions of the physical world aren't changed.
Aazealh said:Don't tell me you expected the world to remain covered in that spiritual light forever. And the lumberjacks were most likely already at work when the light hit them. You can't deduce anything about time passing from what we see of them. Personally I thought the transition was pretty well done. Abrupt and to the point, befitting the events.
Oburi said:Like Jackson Hurley, I figured it was more like a shock wave that passed by everything and everyone, but even then the shots we see from outer space show almost the entire northern hemisphere being covered in the light. Not really a problem or anything, I guess you have to just assume that it covered the entire planet for a period and then went away, and then the lumberjacks went back to work only to find some new animal friends in the forrest.
Aazealh said:There's no need or reason to assume that it stayed for a particular amount of time. Could have been just seconds. Just like the lumberjacks might have not gone back to work at all. The light could have faded, and then the unicorns and hydra appeared right after. What you're saying makes it sound like you've never read a comic book before. Yes, you have to fill in the blanks in-between panels.
Aazealh said:Is there really a need to know precisely how much time elapsed? I don't think so. Will we get a good enough indication in the following episodes anyway? Probably.
Oburi said:We are talking about the Age Of Fucking Darkness here!
KazigluBey said:The light spreading and then disappearing makes sense to me. It enveloped the Earth so now the Earth has been transformed.
KazigluBey said:It isn't like it represents some sort of magical barrier that has to be destroyed in order to return the world to normal.
Jaze1618 said:Come on guys, does a fish see the water around it?
What is one way that we know something exists? We can see where it is and where is isn't, there is a distinction between 'it' and 'not it'
Perhaps the light didn't just vanish and and is still covering the world and didn't just vanish or fade away, I never thought about it this way before, but the philosophical argument might be that once it encompasses everything it can no longer be seen as there is no distinguish what is covered by light and what isn't.
Oburi said:I suppose what I really want to know is how much time had passed between the shot of the world being covered with light and then on the next page the unicorns in the forrest, because the light and the astral forms clearly are gone by that point.
Th3Branded0ne said:We can estimate the time from the pictures, although I would say it doesn't matter much. But let's take a look. On page 2 we can see the townspeople doing their usual labor. I would assume the plowing was being done in the morning, and the other activities we see in that page. Then we see the light covering the world yada yada... fast forward to page 18 and you see the two men cutting a tree as the hydra and unicorns appear. page 19 shows them running towards the town and the fields are just the first thing they are going to pass by before reaching town. The last page shows the hydra and herpies in the field with the plow just in place. I can only estimate that one of those men was working earlier with the plow and then moved onto the trees. But it looks that is the same day. So we can say it could have been some minutes after the light passed by the town, or hours later until the unicorns and hydra reached the place. I don't know if that satisfies you for now.
Th3Branded0ne said:The last page shows the hydra and herpies in the field with the plow
I was about to comment on the herpies too, but you beat me to it.Oburi said:Sounds like a personal problem, branded.
Oburi said:Sounds like a personal problem, branded.
The scar from Slan across his chest that's still there in Guts' ethereal form is of far more import to the story and to Guts' future. But no, let's discuss the absence of the white hair!DrPepperPro said:What do ya'll think about the white hair? I'd say it's not there in that pic, so it may not be there after the light passes. I think with the lighter texture spilling over to the side hair and eyebrow kinda, as well as not going over far enough inwards, that it's just coincidental texture, though Miura might have put it there to cause confusion. But the important part is what Guts thinks of it. He seemed to dwell on the negative consequences of the Berserk armor alot after SK told him about it. But then again it's only been like a few weeks max or so?
This has absolutely no bearing on the function and consequences of the berserker armor and how it will affect him in the future. I can't even begin to imagine how you would draw a line between the two. The white hair appeared after Guts' forced advent from the Beast's possession of the armor. It was a true ordeal to awaken him, and it appeared directly after that. His senses didn't start to go until later. Remember, SK says that with repeated use, the senses will begin to fade.Also if it is gone, does that mean that he wont further lose his senses from using the Berserk armor, or at the very least the hair turning white since it would imply that he doesn't think much of that? I'd think that that and the senses are the same thing though, but who knows. Actually the loss of senses may continue to happen, but it might also be continuously healed by the overlaying/merged astral projection. He'd probably still get the bone puncturing spikes though.
Wow. I don't know about CSI ... but I will say that until about 20 minutes ago, I was a disbeliever that we could see anything clear in the pages of 305 that prove there is any resemblance to our world's maps. However, after some more careful looking (and rotating within photoshop), I managed to find enough to convince even a harsh skeptic. There are unique geographic similarities between this portion of the map and Great Britain. I think what's shown on the page is a kind of psuedo-similar world to ours. This would roughly place Wyndham in our ... Northern Germany?Also, can anyone use the picture with the moon relative to the globe to figure out... anything? They did something like that in a CSI episode, I don't remember exactly what it was though.
and it seems what they did wouldn't really work here. The "known landmarks" part is probably what would mess it up, even if the rest would work (though it's a bit different since it's the moon looking at the planet). Unless someone can recognize that lunar geography... ya this isn't gonna work. Also most likely the moon terrain is completely arbitrarily drawn by Miura. I was hoping it could somehow lead to a telling what the general time of year/season is, which would help with time stamping the event and the age of characters."Ansul Adams often forgot when he took his photographs, so a bunch of astronomers tried to figure it out by using the image itself. By referencing the moon's position in relation to known landmarks, and lunar tables, they were able to determine the date and time the photos were takin'. I thought that we could reverse the science." (when he says reverse here, he means they have the time and moon position, and they want to find where it's taken from, I think)
If that is true, then where do you suppose Vritannis is? Considering that Griffith's army probably didn't travel by boat, it would be somewhere around the France/Germany area. Then again, the clouds cover the English Channel, so there could be land there, as well as a connection between Denmark and Norway/Sweden. The sea voyage probably would go faster than Griffith's march, so the distance from Vritannis to Wyndham should be less the sea route to Skellig, assuming there's no detours or things like that for the ship crew while they're off screen. Anyways my bet is in this area:PS: It should also be noted that Skellig, an island to the west of Midland, is just as it is in our world, an island on the western coast of Ireland
Jaze1618 said:Come on guys, does a fish see the water around it?
Jaze1618 said:Perhaps the light didn't just vanish and and is still covering the world and didn't just vanish or fade away, I never thought about it this way before, but the philosophical argument might be that once it encompasses everything it can no longer be seen as there is no distinguish what is covered by light and what isn't.
Oburi said:I'm just wondering how long it lasted since it wasn't just the actual light but the astral forms of the people that dissapeared as well.
Th3Branded0ne said:We can estimate the time from the pictures
Th3Branded0ne said:On page 2 we can see the townspeople doing their usual labor. I would assume the plowing was being done in the morning, and the other activities we see in that page. Then we see the light covering the world yada yada... fast forward to page 18 and you see the two men cutting a tree as the hydra and unicorns appear. page 19 shows them running towards the town and the fields are just the first thing they are going to pass by before reaching town. The last page shows the hydra and herpies in the field with the plow just in place. I can only estimate that one of those men was working earlier with the plow and then moved onto the trees. But it looks that is the same day. So we can say it could have been some minutes after the light passed by the town, or hours later until the unicorns and hydra reached the place. I don't know if that satisfies you for now.
Deci said:Maybe there's unicorns and stuff in Elfhelm! One can only hope.
Walter said:From vol 24, Schierke says users of the elementally blessed weapons (sylph's sword, cloak, salamander dagger etc.) must envision the faint figures of their respective elementals for them to be effective. Since there is likely no longer any reason for the users to strain their minds and eyes to perceive these figures, I imagine the tools and weapons will be MORE effective, not less so.
Walter said:And one more, regarding that enigmatic 2-page spread of Guts being bathed in light in ep 205. While at the Spirit Tree, Schierke says the wounds of the group were healed as their "physical bodies adjusted to the forms of your essential ethereal bodies." During which, "minor wounds and new wounds generally heal." As we all know, Guts has been recovering slowly from the burns and injuries sustained from the Blaze Wheel possession and all other injuries during the escape from Vritannis. I imagine this glimpse we get of Guts' ethereal form (I can't imagine it's anything BUT this) will have the effect of healing his wounds.
DrPepperPro said:What do ya'll think about the white hair? I'd say it's not there in that pic, so it may not be there after the light passes. I think with the lighter texture spilling over to the side hair and eyebrow kinda, as well as not going over far enough inwards, that it's just coincidental texture, though Miura might have put it there to cause confusion.
DrPepperPro said:But the important part is what Guts thinks of it. He seemed to dwell on the negative consequences of the Berserk armor alot after SK told him about it. But then again it's only been like a few weeks max or so? Also if it is gone, does that mean that he wont further lose his senses from using the Berserk armor, or at the very least the hair turning white since it would imply that he doesn't think much of that? I'd think that that and the senses are the same thing though, but who knows. Actually the loss of senses may continue to happen, but it might also be continuously healed by the overlaying/merged astral projection. He'd probably still get the bone puncturing spikes though.
DrPepperPro said:If that is true, then where do you suppose Vritannis is?
DrPepperPro said:Also, can anyone use the picture with the moon relative to the globe to figure out... anything? They did something like that in a CSI episode, I don't remember exactly what it was though.
Walter said:Wow. I don't know about CSI ... but I will say that until about 20 minutes ago, I was a disbeliever that we could see anything clear in the pages of 305 that prove there is any resemblance to our world's maps. However, after some more careful looking (and rotating within photoshop), I managed to find enough to convince even a harsh skeptic. There are unique geographic similarities between this portion of the map and Great Britain. I think what's shown on the page is a kind of psuedo-similar world to ours.
Walter said:This would roughly place Wyndham in our ... Northern Germany?
Walter said:In conclusion, I think at this point it's clear that this is Miura's own creation, with some real-world similarities thrown in. That's not surprising, since it's a notion consistent with the entire series.
Walter said:Which means that Great Britain is not Eath, despite the geographic similarities described to us, and because of that extra Miura layer, I don't think anything but superfluous and inconsistent details can be extrapolated from any of this.
Walter said:It should also be noted that Skellig, an island to the west of Midland, is just as it is in our world, an island on the western coast of Ireland
DrPepperPro said:The scar may be more important, but isn't it also a simpler question?
DrPepperPro said:Maybe I've got something confused, but aren't their ethereal selves the same as how they are in the astral world? If it is, then I would guess that the scar is there because it's supposed to be. It was already carved into Guts' astral form, so even if he doesn't envision it there, it might show up anyways.
DrPepperPro said:Though if he did continue to not envision as a part of himself, it in this new world, it might heal faster. Or if he does envision it, could it become permanent or last a long time?
DrPepperPro said:OK so I looked up this quote from that episode of CSI,and it seems what they did wouldn't really work here. The "known landmarks" part is probably what would mess it up, even if the rest would work (though it's a bit different since it's the moon looking at the planet).
DrPepperPro said:random thought: Will Beherits be constantly in normal face mode?
Aazealh said:What wouldn't work is that it's not related to anything at all. I don't think you've really thought about what they supposedly did in that CSI episode. It just doesn't apply to our situation here in any way or form. It's just completely useless.
No. You're giving way too much importance to this whole "envisioning" thing. And it's supposed to be deeply subconcious anyway, not something you can will into being.