You made me laugh so hard on the last part haha, and I know it won't be close to miura's level on the execution part - I just want to know what he planned for the end for all those loose plot threads.
They did enter this story arc in the middle, Studio gaga might was cautious not to expand upon what kouji remembered because this story is really close to the Miura-canon and any small divertion can have drastic effect in the long run. A fresh new arc will allow them to plan the plot ahead and at least try creating more intricate nuanced dialouge. It might not be more faithful to berserk as Miura intended, but at least we might get a more coherent story. But again, just wishful thinking.
Sorry, it doesn't translate well from my language, what I meant to say is that the story was too focused on progressing the plot and less on exploring the characters and actually building the world
They're definitely flaws but I still felt there were things to admire. The Art is better and I really liked the "darkest hour" feel. Guts really is at his lowest and it will be interesting to see him try to pick himself up, before likely going on the war path. I want to at least see how the story ends and I think that given what they needed to work with (having to start right before the climax, Mori having to work from memory of what Miura told him rather than any written notes or outline) they're doing a relatively decent job. Any continuation would have problem and I think that Mori and Studio Gaga would be able to do the best take (though how good it is is up in the air.)Just two people here have used the word "casual." That's a broad generalization, certainly. But you're similarly handwaving away all of the problems with the continuation by saying it's "not perfect."
So what did you think of:
That's quite a few imperfections just in the past 17 pages.
- The anticlimactic, nearly off-page destruction of the gnawers (despite the dramatic tension last episode)
- Not showing key characters like Puck and Ivalera disappearing (can't say they ran out of room)
- Guts focusing on his inability to hit Griffith, and not "Oh shit, Casca was taken away by my enemy"
- The Gurus, Hanarr, Volvaba, etc. showing up just for one perfunctory panel instead of the major players they were set up to be
- The dissonance between Danan's explanation and the merging having brought the corporeal and ethereal worlds together
At the end of the episode there's a number if you want to send a feedback to Hakusensha...so at least there's a way to give solid criticism.
Though I don't know if they'll take something in consideration and change some bits of the story.
There was a real sense of devastation and despair in the aftermath
I can't help but feel that there's a lot of snobbery from many of the people dismissing it. It's not perfect, but to say that only "casuals" can like it is annoying as hell.
You know, I think everything they'll do will be close to the "Miura canon" going forward, so they won't necessarily have more leeway. Their motto when the project started was that they would only do things they knew about from Miura-sensei.
Any continuation would have problem and I think that Mori and Studio Gaga would be able to do the best take (though how good it is is up in the air.)
I think it's actually better not think of this in terms of "Miura canon" because that's simply not possible, let alone realistic, at this point, at best (at worst it's a lie). I think you hit on the perfect word before: apocryphal. This is the Apocrypha of Berserk, basically. And I'm pretty sure most of the people around here are Berserk Protestants as far as this is concerned! I think it can still be enlightening reading though in the broad strokes as you say, but I'm not going to be deeply studying or quoting the scriptures.
Got it. You're sticking with just "flaws," for the things I listed. And such things won't get in your way, because:They're definitely flaws but I still felt there were things to admire.
So is basically anything they put out okay as long as you get an ending?I want to at least see how the story ends
They are too constrained for the attempt they are making. Transmitting Miura's remaining ideas is a noble cause. But choosing an episodic framework like the previous releases of Berserk was not the only option available, and it's been a mistake. It's the core of all the problems now and the ones to come.I think that given what they needed to work with (having to start right before the climax, Mori having to work from memory of what Miura told him rather than any written notes or outline) they're doing a relatively decent job.
Berserk right now might be a good manga.
The issue Isn't really the fact that they are moving fast.... It's that the story they are telling doesn't add up with what Miura established beforeThis isn’t a story. It’s key moments/highlights. As Mori said, he will not flesh things out, and he will try as much as possible to only add what Miura talked to him about.
With that said, they are meandering. They need to move this faster if this is to be the case and stop trying to pace this like there’s still a full story here. There are plot points, and Mori and Co. should try to make that clearer. That way the complaints would be a lot less I believe.
If i'm not mistaken flora explain that the spirit trees are in like a different dimension (astral realm), so when the tree die the conecction between the astral and physical plane gets cut, now this could explain why the astral creatures dissapeared but since griffith merged the astral and physical world i dont see why this would cause the spirits to dissapper.There is some great imagery, but the details are very sparse. At best we can guess what's happening and why.
Why would the destruction of a (presumable) Spirit Tree lesson elemental spirits in the corporeal world?
And this is why art value is tied peoples preferences and feelings, one person may like a piece of art ad think is the best thing in the world while other may not, it depends on what you value the most.I think you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate that. I keep seeing people talk about the art, but a manga is much more than that, and this suffers from poor pacing, confusing story flow, lackluster dialogue and bad characterization. And that's without touching on the various inconsistencies. Like you said, people who don't care much are probably fine with it. And why wouldn't they be? It's not like they care all that much. But a passing interest and low standards don't make for good judges of quality.
How do we know the actual plot holes if Mori doesn’t have the details? I’m guessing he got something along the lines of Guts can’t touch Griffith, then Casca is kidnapped and the island breaks apart etc. Maybe even the Berserker not working was part of Miura’s plan, but Mori got no details, so he’ll just draw things and offer no explanation. And that’s my point, if it’s just highlights anyway, I think (I could be wrong) they could’ve made it more streamlined and obvious with a different format.The issue Isn't really the fact that they are moving fast.... Is the fact the story they are telling doesn't add up with what Miura established before
That explosion you're seeing is actually the 4 Elemental Kings barrier (remember that thing?). It's dissolving the remaining gnawers, and the ocean took care of the rest. There is no portal.The bottom panel shows this island surrounded by strange cloudy shapes (what seem to be a nuclear explosion on the left, a strange spiral and aurora borealis?) and is that thing at the right the "portal" (also seen at the top of the double page spread in page 8) SK opened to allow everyone from Elfhelm to be saved from destruction?
Danan likely didn't initiate the disappearance of the elves, though that was also my initial assumption. The running theory is that the tree's destruction is what caused elves to disappear. Like what happened with Chich, though what happened in this episode is far more wild and unexpected because Chich was specifically an elf associated with a flower. Maybe it has to do with Danan in particular (like, was she the one keeping everyone together in that way, and if her power fails, then they can't exist there anymore?). Maybe there will be some light shed on it in the next episode, but no easy answers are readily available right now.I have absolutely no idea why Dadan is taking all the astral creatures to another layer of reality or how it's even possible given that the layers were supposedly merged.
No, not after the day of its release, which is close to 12 hours ago now.Is there even a point to using spoiler tags for this stuff?
I do see the logic here, but what happened in this episode is drastically different from the burning of Flora's forest of spirit trees. Flora says that once the tree is burned, the domain will close. But in this new scenario, the island is still there, it's just sunken. But the beings who inhabited it vanished.If i'm not mistaken flora explain that the spirit trees are in like a different dimension (astral realm), so when the tree die the conecction between the astral and physical plane gets cut, now this could explain why the astral creatures dissapeared but since griffith merged the astral and physical world i dont see why this would cause the spirits to dissapper.
Sorry, but you don't get to dictate the terms of conversation here.And this is why art value is tied peoples preferences and feelings, one person may like a piece of art ad think is the best thing in the world while other may not, it depends on what you value the most.
That being said can we please stop arguing each other about who's right or wrong and talk about the chapter and were the history is going?
It's largely done to show how utterly powerless he feels; even now he can't protect those he cares for.Is there even a point to using spoiler tags for this stuff? It's like lowering the toilet lid over a pile of shit. (Apologies for the revolting comparison).
Guts' first thought shown to us is not about Casca but how he couldn't attack Griffith. That on its own says a lot.
I don't have the motivation to type any more than that...Meh.
If that's why it was "largely done," then it largely missed the mark. They could have had Guts say anything. They went with that.It's largely done to show how utterly powerless he feels; even now he can't protect those he cares for.
Just change the name of the series, and I'm down with it 100%.Guts lives there forever now. Isidro is now the main character, out to avenge the loss of his friend Isma by going after Griffith instead of Guts. Join us in November for the beginning of the "Monkey Swordsman" arc.
The series shall be rechristened as "Ape Shit".Just change the name of the series, and I'm down with it 100%.