Death May Die said:I couldn't find the article back, but I read that Avatar was actually just released in China, and GAINING steam on the world wide market. That's awesome.
Death May Die said:I couldn't find the article back, but I read that Avatar was actually just released in China, and GAINING steam on the world wide market. That's awesome.
NightCrawler said:Why?
グリフィス said:My first thought is this is a more serious and interesting discussion than Avatar merits, though it does broach a larger subject.
グリフィス said:Also, there's a somewhat delusional moral idea that there be a savior of any kind in these scenarios, since in the reality of the cliche Avatar is based on, there are no saviors and the native peoples are usually massacred. The statement, "It would be nice if we could save ourselves" couldn't be more cruelly ironic on that note.
グリフィス said:Why'd I put this in here? Because I'm looking forward to seeing just how old Harrison Ford can get before they stop already.
グリフィス said:Now you understand why fans are having the Avatar blues, and it's now "serious" news:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html
NightCrawler said:Here's the tentacle sex scene:
Wow! I just blue my load.
If this crap is as funny written down as in the screen, i'm watching this tomorrow.
グリフィス said:BTW, as a child of the Late Night Wars, I'd much rather be talking about the insanity at NBC than Avatar's potentially unprecedented box office, but nobody else is interested, sadly. I can't say I blame any one, since I'm not watching or otherwise interested in the shows either.
Aazealh said:I think it fits Avatar, but paradoxically not because of what the villain tells the good guy at the end. The Na'Vi are truly a different race from humans. A different species, in fact. It's a Sci-Fi setting, so the question of race can be both pertinent and non-offensive to minorities in cultures that have a heavy history. No, the problem is that the movie was conceived as a direct parallel to US history, and used actors in consequence.
Aazealh said:I think the woman's point has merit though. The indigenous people, due to the fact they rely on an exterior savior, are pictured as incapable of saving themselves. A variation that does not involve a savior would be welcome. Now of course such a variation would invalidate the premise of the whole story, since we would have a more equal power relationship between the two parties involved. But that's the thing: there's no need to lamely emulate US history. There could be a real plot with twists and drama and all revolving around a normal conflict without one side being disproportionately powerful. That can easily be interpreted as an imperialistic fantasy. In that regard I feel MASS EFFECT, though it had its imperfections, did a much better job than pretty much any movie released in recent memory.
Aazealh said:As a side note I'd really be thankful if these retards could stop comparing their paltry Hollywoodian plots to Dune.
I can't, maybe next time will be better!Aazealh said:Ugh. Please, no. In the words of Henry Jones, Sr. : "Let it go".
Aazealh said:Like I told Wally yesterday, the real "WTF" factor here is the guy eating a fucking pizza out of the box in the theater.
NightCrawler said:I've been reading about that in some blogs, and it actually pushed me to watch Conan last night (people were saying he was acting edgier, in a "fuck this" mood). Something i hadn't done in years.
NBC execs are retarded, but if Leno is actively lobbying for the timeslot change, then i hope he gets scrotum cancer. He's been shit for ages now.
グリフィス said:I just don't think it's necessarily a problem, not that it couldn't be something different or better, certainly.
グリフィス said:Yeah, but if one is doing a so-called message movie about not oppressing people because they're different (whether it be based on history or contemporary events, and Avatar claims both), it only makes sense that it would be from the point of view of and geared towards those in position to oppress.
グリフィス said:Yeah, Dune's racist too, dude! Ugh, and I love how half those examples, even in this particular sub-genre, aren't valid, where there was no savior, and the outsider was mainly just an observer of the culture and ultimately its unfair destruction.
グリフィス said:I just want it to get to the point where Harrison Ford and Indy get so old and grizzled that it's appealing no matter how terrible everything else is. Like if it was Clint Eastwood in the part (talk about wishful thinking =).
Aazealh said:Wait, I thought it was about eco-awareness?
Aazealh said:I'm afraid of him being so old he'll just shuffle around trying not to soil himself while Shia LaBeouf goes on adventures.
NightCrawler said:So here's my review of Avatar:
"They may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom, because this, this is our independence day, meow meow Im king of the cat-monkeys, coo coo ka choo!"
Bekul said:Were those blue-skinned people in Avatar supposed to be alien?
Really?
I dunno. Aside from the weird noses, eyes, and fucked up ears, I'd say they're 99% solid human, not alien. Or, if they're supposed to an 'alien' substitute for indians, why not just have indians and make it an old-fashioned western? I dunno - pet peeve of mine is when so-called aliens are just funny-looking humans, like these blue guys from Avatar. Painted-Caucasian, maybe, but other than that, there's not much alien about them.
Bekul said:Were those blue-skinned people in Avatar supposed to be alien?
Really?
I dunno. Aside from the weird noses, eyes, and fucked up ears, I'd say they're 99% solid human, not alien. Or, if they're supposed to an 'alien' substitute for indians, why not just have indians and make it an old-fashioned western? I dunno - pet peeve of mine is when so-called aliens are just funny-looking humans, like these blue guys from Avatar. Painted-Caucasian, maybe, but other than that, there's not much alien about them.
Heh, yeah, I'm with Bekul on this one. The ponytaildick was just a shortcut device for illustrating how tuned in to nature these guys are - taking 'be one with your anteaterhorse' to the literal instead of the metaphorical level - as if it's somehow more beautiful, and conversely more horrible for nature to be ravaged, if you can literally feel it, to which I say, well, only if you're some kind of jarhead who has to figure out nature is REALLY cool in the first half of the movie. So yeah. Plot-go-faster-based alien attributes. They weren't aliens for shit.NightCrawler said:Don't forget the tail used for tentacle pr0n. They're blue human-cat-monkeys.
Lithrael said:Heh, yeah, I'm with Bekul on this one. The ponytaildick was just a shortcut device for illustrating how tuned in to nature these guys are - taking 'be one with your anteaterhorse' to the literal instead of the metaphorical level - as if it's somehow more beautiful, and conversely more horrible for nature to be ravaged, if you can literally feel it, to which I say, well, only if you're some kind of jarhead who has to figure out nature is REALLY cool in the first half of the movie. So yeah. Plot-go-faster-based alien attributes. They weren't aliens for shit.
Proj2501 said:The above alien is far more boner inducing than the Nav'i can ever hope to be.
Also:
http://hallert.net/powerloader/images/plchara.gif
is greater than
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3586/3593985895_e3920c337f.jpg
Oburi said:That's a sick alien pic.
グリフィス said:And that gap will only widen as Avatar's graphics (it really is best judged like a video game) continue to to become outdated while Aliens continues to rule on all fronts. That movie is probably more amazing to me now than when I first saw it, I guess I assumed there'd be more like it.
グリフィス said:Which brings me to the point that while there's plenty to nitpick, and outright trash if one so desired, about this movie, I don't see the reason beyond a certain point other than to pile on. [...] I guess my point is, why are we even talking about Avatar anymore other than its latest box office total? =)
グリフィス said:That movie is probably more amazing to me now than when I first saw it, I guess I assumed there'd be more like it.
Aazealh said:To be fair, Bekul and Lithrael hadn't posted on the topic yet, and it's perfectly normal they'd want to post their thoughts, negative or positive, even if some other members have already moved past the discussion.
Aazealh said:You know, that's a pretty good point actually. We were innocent back then, we didn't know we were living the high times of action movies.
グリフィス said:Well, I also find those complaints to be on par with the unobtainium bitch
Shruggety. Lith like aliens. Lith respond to comments about aliens not being v alien. Just be glad Lith not bothering to go on tirade about things that are not hard-sci-fi about a movie that's not hard-sci-fi anyway.グリフィス said:I guess my point is, why are we even talking about Avatar anymore other than its latest box office total? =)
Rhombaad said:
Lithrael said:Shruggety. Lith like aliens. Lith respond to comments about aliens not being v alien. Just be glad Lith not bothering to go on tirade about things that are not hard-sci-fi about a movie that's not hard-sci-fi anyway.
Lithrael said:Lith does it anyway: HOW COME KITTIES GET NOSES WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE ON PLANET BREATHES FRU SHOULDERS?? HOW COME THEY DON'T HAS SIX LIMBS? HOW COME THEY DON'T HAS 2 PONYTAILS? SHEESH!