zooty said:i know this is abit off topic but we need something to lighten the mood after such a tragic event... London 2012 best olympics ever? i think it will be :)
In that same article (Chirac bashing English food), a Russian claimed hamburgers were the worst tasting food ever, forever destroying any faith I'll place in Russian cuisine.Aazealh said:You've got bad food too! >:(
Do you mean that the world leaders of G8 are proud? Or the citizens of the countries of those within the G8? And really either way... why?xechnao said:But I guess citizens of G8 are still glad and proud.
Yet, expect more show of police state to go on.
This was far more likely to have been a response to the G8.CnC said:It is sad that this happened so soon after London got the games.
Looks like the quote was removed. I didn't think it was Putin at first, but after some research, the only leaders at this supposed food bashing commentary were Putin, Schroeder and Chirac so... Check this out though. "A French embassy official in the Finnish capital, Helsinki, has denied that Mr Chirac said anything derogatory about Finnish food."a Russian"? anyone of significance or was it just your average Boris on the street? Russians have a cuisine? How can anyone not like hamburgers? Even the vegetarians need a substitute to fulfill their hamburger cravings!
al'Qaeda claimed responsibility for it, but they always do that.And from the London police briefing I was listening to this morning (1 hour ago) its highly suspected that it was Al'Qaeda (sp?) but theres no definitive proof yet.
Walter said:This was far more likely to have been a response to the G8.
CnC said:Yea I know, I meant it was just bad timing.
Its not like I was accusing france or anything... haha.. absurd..
LOOK! A BIRD! *runs*
Walter said:Do you mean that the world leaders of G8 are proud? Or the citizens of the countries of those within the G8? And really either way... why?
It will never happened dude. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but its a dream that will never come true. Do you honestly believe that if the U.S. and coalition forces stopped their operations, packed it up and left all the countries in the middle east and tried talks with them instead that all of this would go away?xechnao said:The question of modern terrorism is this one.
To stop terrorism you need a different approach of global economic relations of people.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:It will never happened dude. I'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but its a dream that will never come true. Do you honestly believe that if the U.S. and coalition forces stopped their operations, packed it up and left all the countries in the middle east and tried talks with them instead that all of this would go away?
Come on man, think about it. The radical's have it out for us. I think its to late for talks and understanding of the other people.
The bombings and killings will and would go on even if we left. It is just the sad state that we are in.
It's strange to equate the G8's function with european colonialism. I agree that they divert massive ammounts of funds where they choose, and in this manner, they can collectively regulate the world economy, but they aren't making decisions that benefit them directly. Besides, the alternative to international groups like the G8 and the watchdog of the UN is completely independant economic development. And I don't see how every-man-for-himself would benefit anyone but the short-sighted.xechnao said:I mean citizens. World leaders are fooling us around, I am not criticizing on them anymore - this is a standard.
And as for the citizens, well I am glad you at least question that but in reality most of us think so considering the rest of the world.
There is not equality among the status of the nations of the world and their citizents even in peoples minds. Today. In the short past, it was much worse :see "official" imperialism, collonialism...
But eventually G8 is the same thing on the globe: controls economy and not only.
Those that oppose the West would want nothing at all to do with whatever model for a global economy we could think up. Adapting our international systems to the whims of those that refuse to cooperate on even the most basic levels would ultimately be, to me, an Uroborus.The question of modern terrorism is this one.
To stop terrorism you need a different approach of global economic relations of people.
Rev. Jesse Jackson, one of the more vocal African-Americans in the US, has advocated African aid since even before his ambassadorship under the Clinton administration. However, his support of certain warlords within Africa makes his credibility and genuine intent a little hard to sell. Other than Jackson, it's difficult to speak generally about African-Americans in this manner. I don't think there's a collective opinion on the subject, honestly.P.S. I' ve read somewhere that US blacks don't feel like supporting Africa. At the same time I know that they live with traces of the racism problem. Does this tell you something or what?
Walter said:It's strange to equate the G8's function with european colonialism. I agree that they divert massive ammounts of funds where they choose, and in this manner, they can collectively regulate the world economy, but they aren't making decisions that benefit them directly. Besides, the alternative to international groups like the G8 and the watchdog of the UN is completely independant economic development.
Walter said:And I don't see how every-man-for-himself would benefit anyone but the short-sighted.
Walter said:Those that oppose the West would want nothing at all to do with whatever model for a global economy we could think up. Adapting our international systems to the whims of those that refuse to cooperate on even the most basic levels would ultimately be, to me, an Uroborus.
Walter said:Rev. Jesse Jackson, one of the more vocal African-Americans in the US, has advocated African aid since even before his ambassadorship under the Clinton administration. However, his support of certain warlords within Africa makes his credibility and genuine intent a little hard to sell. Other than Jackson, it's difficult to speak generally about African-Americans in this manner. I don't think there's a collective opinion on the subject, honestly.
You're complaining about an arm of Globalization: babysitting. I have faith that any economic restraints on African countries will be relinquished as soon as a suitable system for governing it is established. My faith in this method was established by the initial effectiveness of how British and French powers controlled North African countries and areas of the Middle East just after World War I, until a viable and qualified leader rose. The real problem for Iraq, I believe, was started by Western powers letting go too soon.xechnao said:And why is it strange to name european collonialism. Today, indirectly you have the same thing economically. Just check on Africa's and L. Am resources - from labour to coffee or chocolate to resources such as oil, gold and diamonds.
Could you elaborate on the specifics of your infrastructure?I am not talking about the system but about economic power. Change the balances. Help them with infrastructure.
Walter said:You're complaining about an arm of Globalization: babysitting. I have faith that any economic restraints on African countries will be relinquished as soon as a suitable system for governing it is established. My faith in this method was established by the initial effectiveness of how British and French powers controlled North African countries and areas of the Middle East just after World War I, until a viable and qualified leader rose. The real problem for Iraq started by Wester powers letting go too soon.
Walter said:Could you elaborate on the specifics of your infrastructure?
As I said, I believe the Iraq war offered them a chance to leapfrog themselves into Democracy. Hussein was simply an obstacle in the path to this. Using this logic, the war was necessary to properly implement such additions as "roads, schools universities..." etc. Look at North Korea. The US has been giving Kim Jong Il financial aid for years, but there's no way to determine or enforce how the aid is used. It could be, as is popularly believed here in the west, that he's simply using it to strengthen and feed his military. The same could have been said about Hussein.xechnao said:Anyway, the prob about Iraq was that it didn't need a war. There was no need for war in the middle east by stranger forces.
Well, there's more to the Middle East's economic hinderance than the Isreali-Palestinian rivalry, but I know you are aware of that. As I said before, a dictatorship doesn't foster long-term growth. Especially one as corrupt as Hussein's. Besides, these additions, roads, schools, universities, only take 5 minutes to be blown to bits by a terrorist who doesn't support western intervention. So it's back to Uroborus again.Sure.
Roads, schools, universities, technologic knowledge, power, industries: in general stuff that can help boost economy. Holland for example has very bad natural conditions for farming and agriculture. Yet with the proper infrastructure they hit the top about it.
xechnao said:But French and British powers were forced to leave.
Anyway, the prob about Iraq was that it didn't need a war.