Well that's good and all but I'd like to remind you that this thread is about the Moonlight Boy, guys. So let's please drop the Femto/Griffith talk, especially since it's been discussed in countless other threads already.
There's one thing going against that possibility though: in the Dreamcast game, the God Hand is summoned and we only see four of them appearing (Femto's missing). Of course the game isn't fully canon, but it does reflect Miura's intent in many ways.Mudo said:It's just speculation, but maybe the God Hand was summoned and the kid controlled the body during this time.
Well, OK... but it's certainly not a stretch of the imagination to make that connection. If they share the same body, and the same power, it would make sense that they appear the same, when viewed through astral vision.Aazealh said:I wouldn't say it's "very likely".
Yeah, but they don't have to share anything for their astral bodies to look like they're made of light, that's my point. The same goes for Schierke, Farnese or even Guts when he was hit by the astral wave in episode 305. The only actual similarity is that they both lack detail, but that also falls apart if you look at them closer.Walter said:Well, OK... but it's certainly not a stretch of the imagination to make that connection. If they share the same body, and the same power, it would make sense that they appear the same, when viewed through astral vision.
What's that supposed to mean? What is the moon's nature?Panicfactorx said:I wonder (since the moon was out) if the child's nature is like that of the moon.
I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but yeah you misunderstood.Panicfactorx said:I believe Schierke said her attribute was water, or maybe I misunderstood.
That isn't at all consistent with Griffith's behavior or with how the scene is presented, and it seems extremely far-fetched to me to assume that Griffith was "in control" of anything when the boy stopped Guts. The same goes for the group's hypothetic greater purpose, since at this point they're not very likely to serve the God Hand's interests in the future.Panicfactorx said:As to the child stopping Guts: If it is indeed Griffith and Griffith is in some sort of control, maybe he stopped Guts from killing everyone because he knew they had a greater purpose to serve.
I'm sure he meant what Schrieke said in that volume when she says something Flora use to tell her, about the ocean, how its connected to the astral world. Still does not mean anything according to this scene with the boy, but that must be what he read.Aazealh said:I'm not sure who you're talking about here, but yeah you misunderstood.
Even aside from what Walter pointed out, from what we've been told there are only four elements: earth, fire, wind, water.Panicfactorx said:As for the moon: I'm wondering if the child is a spirit of the moon. Salamanders represent fire, undines water, sylphs wind... maybe the boy is the spiritual representation of the moon.
One has to wonder why the last shot of him we see is atop a cliff then (with the moon as a backdrop). Not the direction of the sea.BiQ-- said:What happened on the beach was simply the fact that depths of sea (connecting to the astral world) and full moon (which seems to strengthen all kinds of astral things in Berserk world) allowed him to manifest to meet his parents... and that's it.
I don't think anyone's really questioning the boy's reason for showing up. Nor his identity (even though there's no hard proof), for that matter.BiQ-- said:I don't see why there needs to be any more elaborate reason for his appearance at the beach but child's yearning for his parents and circumstances that allowed it to happen.
That's very debatable if you look at the scene in volume 22. There's no way to assess the exact relation between Griffith and the boy. So even if you put aside the fact Zodd was on the cliff (could have just been reconnoitering, looking for signs of the Kushans), there remains the question of how can the kid still exists within Griffith (his presence strong enough to compel him to action and to make Casca view him as her child despite his physical appearance) while showing up in another body, with supernatural powers but cleansed of any evil. And before you say they could have been separated between volumes 22 and 28, sure, but how?BiQ-- said:Griffith's reactions to Casca and Guts are "just" lingering effects
Yeah, it's a possibility. Though you'll remember that the Demon Child was in the Interstice himself, like his parents. What limited him was sunlight, since he had been tainted by evil.BiQ-- said:What really intrigues me is, if these theories are in any way close to being true, since Moonlight Boy is an astral being, does the merging of worlds mean that he could now be permanently on the same world as his parents? (and everyone else for that matter)
I'm not so sure when I think about the Count, Rosine, Ganishka, ... They all recovered their old self near the end, which seems to indicate that it survived in some way. I guess this has already been discussed in a more appropriate thread...Oburi said:So then the Griffith from the Golden Age is truly dead....
It has been discussed at length, and it's not the topic of this thread, but let me clarify that none of the apostles you mentioned "recovered" anything when they died. The Count still loved his daughter in spite of his state; his refusal to sacrifice her wasn't the result of a last-minute change in him. As for Rochine, in the same way, she had a certain affection for Jill right from the beginning. Their deaths were depicted that way to underline the dramatic conditions that led them to become apostles, and to show that they weren't "just" evil monsters. Same thing for Ganishka's remembrance of his past.jaken said:I'm not so sure when I think about the Count, Rosine, Ganishka, ... They all recovered their old self near the end, which seems to indicate that it survived in some way. I guess this has already been discussed in a more appropriate thread...
Now I'd appreciate if we could stick to discussing the Moonlight Boy.Aazealh said:The body Femto was incarnated in looks exactly like the man called Griffith did. However, this doesn't mean that the person known as Griffith up to the Eclipse is suddenly back like nothing happened. Griffith became Femto in volume 13. He was irremediably changed. The one we now refer to as Griffith is merely Femto wearing a Griffith flesh-suit. It's important that people understand this.
We don't get as many glimpses into Guts' internal thoughts as we once did, when he was flying solo. But in volume 28, he was reminded of the demon child just after the group encounters the Moonlight Boy. So, that's a pretty big first step.spineylamb said:Do you think Guts suspects anything? It seems like he's got other things on his mind to deal with first, but you could tell the Moonlight Child had more of his attention in 317. I wonder if in the back of his mind, he's tried connecting some dots.
"The power of the moon" will fade with morning, yes. What that means for the boy is uncertain, just like everything else about him is uncertain...Jaze1618 said:What if the boy fails to clear out before morning? Will the power of the moon fade? We shall see.