you thought wrong...
you thought wrong...
Woah! That was a bit rude, don't you think? ^^;;;
White_Hawk
The Only True Free Spirit / Dark Horse Rider
well, geez, are my feelings hurt or what?
With a pic like that, I guess you have to be bad.
"Nice sword, but too heavy for me."
-GriffiTH
With a pic like that, I guess you have to be bad.
"Nice sword, but too heavy for me."
-GriffiTH
best i could come up with...
felt like he sayin i have no sense of humor though, which i dont like....
sorry if it did sound too rude though.
felt like he sayin i have no sense of humor though, which i dont like....
sorry if it did sound too rude though.
White_Hawk
The Only True Free Spirit / Dark Horse Rider
I think I got it...
I only wish I could remember to put smileys everytime I post something "funny".
I'll be leavin now ppl, have fun...
I only wish I could remember to put smileys everytime I post something "funny".
I'll be leavin now ppl, have fun...
Well actually yes it is. I think you are trying to hard to relate the Berserk universe to your own universe. In the Judeo/christian faith you have Satan for all of the bad stuff and God for all of the good stuff. Other religions (like with the Aztecs) are darker and require regular human sacrifices. Which do think would make for a more interesting story? Most people are very comfortable with the former. Some people believe that art imitates life while others believe that life imitates art. Still others believe that art is an escape frome life; they just don't have a catch phrase. :-/ O.K. I'm starting to ramble here so I'll shut up now. :-X
Getting back to the original subject. Somehow I don't think that it's likely that Gaseric and Griffifth are related by blood.(although you aren't the first one to have that theory) I believe that when Idea speaks about manipulateing bloodlines, it could mean any number of things. Maybe it was talking about the king of Midland not having a male heir....Or bloodlines may not have anything to do with royalty. Maybe the term is refering to certaind desired genetic traits. Also, don't forget that Idea was omitted when the volume came out. There must be a reson for that. For all we know Miura may have completely changed his mind on that concept.
Eh... it's never a good idea to involve religion in any discussion that doesn't concern it. People take that sort of thing way too personally. Needless to say, in fictional works, there don't have to be parallels between itself and the real world. Whatever the circumstances of this world/universe's existance does not have to apply to a fictional one. It's whatever the author wants it to be. So, yes, Miura did create that world.
For future reference, simply because something exists does not mean that there must have been a creator. It is just a creationist theory, not a fact. All creationist theories have been logically disproven, FYI.
For future reference, simply because something exists does not mean that there must have been a creator. It is just a creationist theory, not a fact. All creationist theories have been logically disproven, FYI.
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paradiselost
Guest
...however, Miura is a creator...interesting...
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waqas786uk
Guest
In episode 24 of the anime Void said the following;
"That is the punishment meted out by the God who made man."
The God Hand are the most powerfull force in the berserk universe (besides Idea) and we can assume that they know what they are talking about when they mention any supernatural being.
So, there is a "God that created man" in the berserk universe, well, in the anime anyway.
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waqas
"That is the punishment meted out by the God who made man."
The God Hand are the most powerfull force in the berserk universe (besides Idea) and we can assume that they know what they are talking about when they mention any supernatural being.
So, there is a "God that created man" in the berserk universe, well, in the anime anyway.
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waqas
Bad translation.
That's the other way around: the God made by man.
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paradiselost
Guest
...right... (you are too ok in translation, Olivier!)
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waqas786uk
Guest
Erm, how exactly do you know that?
If you are correct then the translation of the sentence would be;
"This is the punishment meted out bye the God made by man"
That doesnt make any sense. If God were made by man then it wouldnt really exist and wouldnt be handing down punishment to Griffith for his sins and Void never would have mentioned it. Remember Void said this when he was trying to convince griffith that his dream was dead and that his only hope of resurrecting it would be to become a god hand.
In short what God hand said was this:
(Not directly quoted)
You dream was based on the deaths of others........now by a cruel twist it has ended.........your only hope is to die and start over as one of us............leave your freinds and your battered body behind...........and join us.........your fall was punishment handed down by God for your sins.
Telling griffith that his fall was punishment from a God that didnt really exist would be just plain dumb. Do you understand what Im saying? Whether or not God exists becomes irrelevant. Void was trying to convince griff that God was against him and saying that Man created God Void would have contradicted himself. So if you think about it like that then it couldnt have been a bad translation because it wouldnt have made any sense.
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paradiselost
Guest
...well, I can say to support my friend Olivier that in our translation it's like he says, and that I'm trying to let me translate all Berserk by a Chinese guy who works in HK...for the reason why he works very much with Japanese, he writes and speaks very good this language, so...I can confirm Olivier's words, for what I can say...
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waqas786uk
Guest
I posted this twice cos im not sure th original will be seen.
Erm, how exactly do you know that?
If you are correct then the translation of the sentence would be;
"This is the punishment meted out bye the God made by man"
That doesnt make any sense. If God were made by man then it wouldnt really exist and wouldnt be handing down punishment to Griffith for his sins and Void never would have mentioned it. Remember Void said this when he was trying to convince griffith that his dream was dead and that his only hope of resurrecting it would be to become a god hand.
In short what God hand said was this:
(Not directly quoted)
You dream was based on the deaths of others........now by a cruel twist it has ended.........your only hope is to die and start over as one of us............leave your freinds and your battered body behind...........and join us.........your fall was punishment handed down by God for your sins.
Telling griffith that his fall was punishment from a God that didnt really exist would be just plain dumb. Do you understand what Im saying? Whether or not God exists becomes irrelevant. Void was trying to convince griff that God was against him and saying that Man created God Void would have contradicted himself. So if you think about it like that then it couldnt have been a bad translation because it wouldnt have made any sense.
Erm, how exactly do you know that?
If you are correct then the translation of the sentence would be;
"This is the punishment meted out bye the God made by man"
That doesnt make any sense. If God were made by man then it wouldnt really exist and wouldnt be handing down punishment to Griffith for his sins and Void never would have mentioned it. Remember Void said this when he was trying to convince griffith that his dream was dead and that his only hope of resurrecting it would be to become a god hand.
In short what God hand said was this:
(Not directly quoted)
You dream was based on the deaths of others........now by a cruel twist it has ended.........your only hope is to die and start over as one of us............leave your freinds and your battered body behind...........and join us.........your fall was punishment handed down by God for your sins.
Telling griffith that his fall was punishment from a God that didnt really exist would be just plain dumb. Do you understand what Im saying? Whether or not God exists becomes irrelevant. Void was trying to convince griff that God was against him and saying that Man created God Void would have contradicted himself. So if you think about it like that then it couldnt have been a bad translation because it wouldnt have made any sense.
It makes sense when you realize that Idea (God) was formed from humanitys negative feelings and desire for a God. Idea was formed by humans, and took control of their destiny. That is why it is the God created by Man.
Youre also misunderstanding the point of "the punishment set down by the..." part. The punishment isnt for Griffith to 'atone' for his sins. The punishment is that man must chase his dreams until the end or die on the 'road'. For instance, if Griffith were to give up his dream, and not sacrifice the Hawks, he would die. That is the punishment, the consequence of abandoning the dream.
Youre also misunderstanding the point of "the punishment set down by the..." part. The punishment isnt for Griffith to 'atone' for his sins. The punishment is that man must chase his dreams until the end or die on the 'road'. For instance, if Griffith were to give up his dream, and not sacrifice the Hawks, he would die. That is the punishment, the consequence of abandoning the dream.
Er... I understand Japanese, that's how? ^^;
Excuse me? ^^;
Now, _that_ doesn't make any sense. ^_^;;
"Punishment for his sins"? ^^;
In my opinion, Griffith's "punishment" would have been to live "buried under the remains of his dream".
In the manga, the word "punishment" was actually written with the kanji of "mercy". Meaning that allowing Griffith to survive as a mere human (no, he wasn't meant to die) seems to be "mercy" but would have actually been a "punishment".
It's a bad translation, that's all.
And there's no need to argue about that, really, it's obvious when you know Japanese: it _isn't_ "a God who made man".
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waqas786uk
Guest
Ok i'll recede on this point since you know japanese. It probably was just a bad translation.
But i do have one question, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that my statement that a "God made by humans didnt exist" not make any sense?
But i do have one question, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that my statement that a "God made by humans didnt exist" not make any sense?
Er... I just don't get it. It sounds like you think that a god can't be created by humans?
Maybe I misunderstood you?
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waqas786uk
Guest
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I know what your thinking. The Hindu's created Vishnu, the muslims created Allah, the jews created yaweh, the Christians created Trinity and so on.
There is no evidence that the above gods exist but in a way they do exist, in the minds of the men the created and worship them. So in that way men can create god's
But thats not what im talkin about you dumbass.
Im talking about a REAL god. Ofcourse there is absolutely no evidence that a all powerful supernatural being could exist BUT if it did then it would not have been a creation of man. Do you get it now? Or do I need to draw you a picture?
I know what your thinking. The Hindu's created Vishnu, the muslims created Allah, the jews created yaweh, the Christians created Trinity and so on.
There is no evidence that the above gods exist but in a way they do exist, in the minds of the men the created and worship them. So in that way men can create god's
But thats not what im talkin about you dumbass.
Im talking about a REAL god. Ofcourse there is absolutely no evidence that a all powerful supernatural being could exist BUT if it did then it would not have been a creation of man. Do you get it now? Or do I need to draw you a picture?
whoa buddy, no need to call names... i really dont think he was referring to those(but thats just me)
idea says that it was created by man's negative feelings if my memory serves me well. since idea would be considered the only "real" god, then "God" was created by man and it still exists. and you really cant compare Idea with a real god, its still a fictional story, anything can happen... its really not that hard to fathom if you read the speculations(?) section
Griffith
With the streak of a tear, Like morning dew
You’re the one who doesn’t get it, that doesn’t make any sense because you can’t verify it; it’s just something that you believe. Olivier understood what you meant but I guess he gave you the benefit of the doubt since it was so absurd.
How ironic that you returned the favor by insulting his intelligence.
-Griffith
Why not?