Griffith said:http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/watchshit.jpg
Walter said:Let me give you a prime example of the problem. Here's a 1.5 minute clip of the movie, a fight scene in a jail. http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/40200 Now, click here for the comic's rendition. Note how much Snyder milked this one panel, and not only that, changed the way the scene is portrayed. It's not flashy moves or over-the-top. It's just a fucking kung-fu chop from Nite Owl.
royoak said:TotBF
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:I have to ask. Why is anyone buying this? I'm sure by the time it's released every bit of meaning is going to be lost [seeing as how i'm guessing the news stand bits are not going to be in there].
Oburi said:I bet they will. They might even edit in the anime they made depicting the comic within the comic.
That is pretty much a given. But right now I'm concerned about something else.Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:I have to ask. Why is anyone buying this? I'm sure by the time it's released every bit of meaning is going to be lost [seeing as how i'm guessing the news stand bits are not going to be in there].
So the DC does include Hollis' death but no Black Freighter whereas the UC has no Hollis?Zack: No. The Black Freighter version of the movie, which we call the final cut or the ultimate cut – it has a marketed name that I don’t know exactly what it is. That version of the movie, because when we were up there we physically shot the in’s and out’s, scenes at the newsstand that go into the movie. There’s like scenes where our characters pass the newsstand and then we pick up action at the newsstand and it gets us into the Black Freighter….with shots that go into it and it comes to life and you follow the Black Freighter story and then come back into the movie. That version of the movie is the director’s cut with the Black Freighter intercut. That version sort of traces the structure of the Black Freighter that's integrated into the comic book… So that version is the 3 hour and 25 minute version. So you have all those in’s and out’s…but the director’s cut includes the Hollis death stuff, that’s just a lot more connective tissue…it’s hard for me to even remember exactly what’s in it. But it’s just a lot more.
"They take an idea, bowdlerize it, blow it up, make it infantile and spend $100 million to give people a brief escape from their boring and often demeaning lives at work. It's obscene and it's offensive. This is not the culture I signed up for. I'm sure I sound like Bobby Fischer talking about chess "
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:He never died in the movie; Rorschach’s death replaces his in the movie.
Ramen4ever said:Replaces? what are you talking about?They're both supposed to die. Rorschach because he can not betray what he believes in. And Hollis because of ignorance. The gang mistake him for the Night Owl II. Rorschach's death doesn't replace anything. I was upset at Hollis not dieing at the hands of a drugged up gang. As that would have at least emphasized what the city is like.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:When did Hollis die in the watchmen movie? Where was Night Owl's big change of heart after Hollis died? Care to tell when this happens IN THE FILM?
Because Snyder wants to stay as close as possible to the comic.Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:I still don't understand why they are even mentioning the Black Freighter or even including the story for it. At this point there is no point to having it because they left out the squid. Also, why even bother with Hollis either? He never died in the movie; Rorschach’s death replaces his in the movie.
The bar scene with Rorschach and Nite Owl was cut with Hollis' death because it had no point without it.Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:When did Hollis die in the watchmen movie? Where was Night Owl's big change of heart after Hollis died? Care to tell when this happens IN THE FILM?
Cutting that scene, a brutal beating, also necessitated cutting a companion scene in a bar involving Rorschach (Jackie Earle Haley) and Dan Dreiberg/Nite Owl II (Patrick Wilson). "They see on the TV [that] Hollis Mason died," Snyder said. "And so then, you know, Dan goes and beats up the Top Knot that's in the bar, and, like, knocks the teeth out, and it's really violent and cool."
Yeah seeing how I'm not going to watch the DC this is the only version I'll ever see. So yes that is the death replacing Hollis'.royoak said:Rorschach's death replaces Hollis'? You mean because of Nite Owl's spaz attack?
The bar scene with Rorschach and Nite Owl was cut with Hollis' death because it had no point without it.
Huh? The bar scene is in the movie, broken glass and all. What's cut is Nite Owl's exchange with the "top knot" guy, which is how he finds out Hollis is dead. He then loses control and nearly brutalizes the guy, who is likely innocent. It shows how super heroes have the propensity to abuse their authority when they think they're in the right. It's not pointless.royoak said:The bar scene with Rorschach and Nite Owl was cut with Hollis' death because it had no point without it.
Ah OK, I stand corrected. As mentioned before I haven't/won't see/n the movie and I agree that the scene isn't pointless at all, I merely quoted Snyder.Walter said:Huh? The bar scene is in the movie, broken glass and all. What's cut is Nite Owl's exchange with the "top knot" guy, which is how he finds out Hollis is dead. He then loses control and nearly brutalizes the guy, who is likely innocent. It shows how super heroes have the propensity to abuse their authority when they think they're in the right. It's not pointless.
"They see on the TV [that] Hollis Mason died," Snyder said. "And so then, you know, Dan goes and beats up the Top Knot that's in the bar, and, like, knocks the teeth out, and it's really violent and cool."
Deci said:I don't really see what the big deal is. I just went and saw it last night and overall I thought the film was pretty good.
Deci said:I thought the film was pretty good. Nothing amazing, but pretty good.... Honestly I just couldn't get into the whole love story at all, and since that was a pretty major focal point, it was all pretty lost on me.... I'd give it a 7/10.
Bekul said:Yeah, that's the key. "Pretty good. Nothing amazing. 7/10" is brutal damnation, when you look at the source material. Imagine Lord of the Rings, for example, done by Uwe Boll. Or Beserk remade in the style of Shrek - alright, so it wasn't /that/ bad, but really, 7/10? For Watchmen? That's just damning.
Don't worry, it's Ok to have low standards.
Now maybe if you knew the original you could understand why people are complaining about the adaptation. Maybe.
Deci said:he was explaining to me why Alan Moore refuses to ever watch any of the movies done on his works and it kinda made sense to me.
Deci said:That's just it. I do understand.
Deci said:But I mean c'mon, even if it's no where near as good as the source material, it was still pretty good.