Skeleton said:WowChuck's a huge prick.
Griffith said:Wow indeed, this show just came into its own; like the writing, acting, and characters all came together at once and everything clicked into place (to the point that Mike felt like the out of place element, though I still enjoyed his side of things =). Can't wait for next week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ7H-w6AG2Q
We'll see about that...
Argh, not available in my country. I'll try to search for the video, hopefully i'll find it.Griffith said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ7H-w6AG2Q
We'll see about that...
Skeleton said:To be honest, I went into this last episode solely to see what happens with Mike's story line. By the end of the episode I had forgotten all about Mike.
Joe Chip said:Alright, i didn't watch the last 3 episodes. I was waiting for the season to be finished so i could watch it all together, but seeing all the comments here i decided to just watch it right now.
Man, i loved how this series has turned out. I agree that it stands on it's own and by the endMike's storyline felt out of place. It was still fun seeing him, but all in all i felt that it made the show more exciting. From the one side you get anxious to see what happens with Saul and Chuck and from the other side it's fun to see Mike ... beeing Mike .
I agree that Chuck was being a dick, but i understand his point of view. He worked his ass off to get to where he was, so he felt that Saul was just trying to get some of his glory.
Joe Chip said:One thing i was wondering the whole time is this. Why was HHJ the only option for Jimmy, i can understand that he had connections there because of his brother, but with this case other big companies would beg him to get the Case. I don't get why the only options were :
1) Give the case to HHJ
2)Try to do it on your own and fail miserably
Do you guys think that Jimmy/Saul will cut all ties with his Brother (as he told him), or do you think that he will end up helping him again down the road? I personally think that Saul will end up with his brother again just because he is a good guy.
ryOtoha said:...Walt's regrets completely defining andlegitimizerationalize who/what he became.
Walter said:Fixed.
Walter said:I didn't think Mike's story was out of place. I actually liked how thematically he tied it back to Saul's predicament (and Walt's, really). That these challenges are all a morality contest for Saul.
Walter said:I actually really like Hamlin
Griffith said:Oh, he has a point! At the same time, in addition to being vain and sanctimonious, he's clearly also jealous and resentful of Jimmy's own gifts and personality going back to their early years, and certainly doesn't want to see, or think of, Jimmy as being an accomplished lawyer like him. Also, they're more alike than Chuck thinks, because he's been conning Jimmy the whole time! His mental affliction also seems at least somewhat tied to Jimmy's success, rather than his screw ups like Jimmy thought (started after Jimmy got his law degree, conveniently held Jimmy back since, and Chuck only got well enough now to ultimately screw him over).
Griffith said:Hamlin Hamlin & Jimmy? =)
I personally think that he is not going to become Saul yet. There is a second season already planned so i think they re going to milk the story for a bit before he makes the transition to Saul.Griffith said:Speaking of, so what do we all think? Is the story going to sort of stay true to its more down to earth, actual interpersonal lawyer stuff, nature? Or is it time for Jimmy to break bad™ again and Saul-t the earth? And one way or the other, will Jimmy become Saul, nominally or in practice, by the end of the finale? I yes to the latter in both cases.
Joe Chip said:I would have to disagree, i don't personally think that he is jealous. He is highly skilled and highly accomplished in his field. I think that in his eyes his brother is failure, a small time crook that resorts to tricks in order to get his way. I personally think that he sees his brother being a lawyer as a flaw in his personal goals and career. So of course he will do everything not to be associated with him.
Joe Chip said:I personally think that he is not going to become Saul yet. There is a second season already planned so i think they re going to milk the story for a bit before he makes the transition to Saul.
I totally agree, it would be a good idea to introduce some new clients of Jimmy/Saul and have them commit mischief. I enjoed the first episodes withGriffith said:Well, I hope they don't take too long or their won't be a third season to get us there. This season could have used a little more focus, drive, and danger as it is.
Joe Chip said:Do you guys think thatMike was carrying a gun ? I don't think he was, but a buddy of mine thinks that he was actually, but said that he didn't in order to ditch the other bodyguards. I also didn't like how the second bodyguard simply run away, i'm sure the writers could think of something better than that.
Griffith said:Yeah... I think Jimmy and everyone watching owes him an apology at this point. BTW, good use of archetype for that twist. Other than what Jimmy said about/to Hamlin and his being a dick to Kim, for the big villain he didn't do much worse than come off like a phony jerk, which seemed trite and underwhelming, but it turns he might have been pretty loyal and genuine the whole time! Let's see where he ends up in the last episode.
Joe Chip said:I would have to disagree, i don't personally think that he is jealous. He is highly skilled and highly accomplished in his field. I think that in his eyes his brother is failure, a small time crook that resorts to tricks in order to get his way. I personally think that he sees his brother being a lawyer as a flaw in his personal goals and career. So of course he will do everything not to be associated with him.
Griffith said:... so why assault armed goons in a parking structure? Plus, I get leaving your gun at home to stay out of trouble, but not in Mike's line of work! So yeah, he should have had a gun, but from an artistic standpoint I appreciate the message that Mike is just that badass.
Walter said:I think a lot of that was done to put on a show, so he'd be the last man standing for the client.
Agreed. The whole scene pretty much exists for the audience to cheer for Badass Mike on the job. And it got the desired effect for meGriffith said:I get that, and it works fine within the show, I just have trouble reconciling it with the idea that Mike was trying to play it safe. Like I said, chalk the whole thing up to artistic license; it was also a nice juxtaposition between that guy's false confidence and need to compensate and Mike's very real competence being all he needs (it's like he's slumming with this job). Plus, whatever Mike's intentions were going in that soldier of fortune asshole pissed him off. =)(by not being armed, no less)
Walter said:Speaking of that scene, the huge guy who runs off with the goatee, didn't we see his mugshot in the opening scene of the previous episode? (and again when Jimmy calls from the bathroom of the diner).
Walter said:Well ... I wasn't disappointed as much as I was surprised that they really didn't go out with a bang of any proportion (except for banging the waitresses).
Walter said:If he's going to try on the clothes of a criminal for a bit, it would have been nice to see him plant his feet in that role as the episode ends.
Walter said:The hanging thread revealed by Mike that Tuco's gang is headed for tumultuous times is clearly setting up action for season 2, and I can see Saul leaving the courthouse and headed straight for Nacho. "I'm your man!"
Walter said:So what was learned from this season? That the Saul we get to know eventually is a hybrid of his Chicago scamster days and his days trying to make it as a legitimate lawyer at a legitimate firm doing legitimate casework. What else did we learn? Well... Not a helluva whole lot.
Dar Klink said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TVlvI8kDW1U#t=64
Heh, completely forgot about this and saw it while watching some BrBa Saul clips. Nice callback.
Walter said:I actually didn't know that last night's episode was the finale until the end so I wasn't going through it thinking of it on those terms. I felt a bit disappointed at the lack of action as well, but overall it was a pretty good episode and finale. I'm excited for more Saul and sad that I have to wait now.