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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/09/20081109stjohnskillings.html
This happened here in the state I live. Pretty messed up I say.
This happened here in the state I live. Pretty messed up I say.
Ramen4ever said:Yeah this needs to go to shooting in the breeze, news and not news.
Also the article doesn't say much. No revealed motive or charge. Meh.
Ahh much better:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/08/20081108stjohns.html
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:Either way the dad was a fucking idiot to actually give the kid a weapon like that, at that age he shouldn't have a gun or even a bb gun.
Aazealh said:I agree that no matter how underpowered one might think .22-caliber rifles are, they're still way too dangerous to give to a kid. And I'm talking 14 year old here, not 8. That being said, the boy apparently premeditated the murders and did everything very coldly. He actually went to his neighbor telling he "believed that his father was dead"... That's not how a normal kid would react in such a situation.
Ramen4ever said:The only reprise I could imagine is if there was indeed abuse involved on an extreme level. But even then .. you don't shot someone just because your abused. You call the help line like they teach you in kindergarten.
Aazealh said:Well, I don't know. If he was severely abused and shot them to end it, I probably would let him off easy if I were in the jury.
Ramen4ever said:Are you implying that murder is an appropriate course of action against abuse?
Ramen4ever said:I find the fact that it's a double homicide (as in the other guy was shot too) in conflict with any assessment that attempts to claim that the child should be let off easy. If it was simply the father that was abusive then maybe.
Ramen4ever said:But I don't see how a father considered "nice" by everyone in the town could be abusive
Ramen4ever said:the fact that he was trying to teach his son not to fear guns also points away from abuse.
Aazealh said:I agree that no matter how underpowered one might think .22-caliber rifles are, they're still way too dangerous to give to a kid. And I'm talking 14 year old here, not 8. That being said, the boy apparently premeditated the murders and did everything very coldly. He actually went to his neighbor telling he "believed that his father was dead"... That's not how a normal kid would react in such a situation.
SimplyEd said:I wouldn't be so sure that the kid didn't know about the consequences of his actions.
SimplyEd said:Why? There's absolutely no reason to think that knowing how to handle a gun is, in any way, beneficial for a child. My "idiocy-sensor" is tingling so hard right now, i'm afraid that my head might explode any minute now. The father obviously failed at his parental responsibilities..and common sense, for that matter. There's a reason why guns should never be made available for non-adults..and a very large part of the adult populace as well, if you ask me.
Aazealh said:
SimplyEd said:I expected something like this to happen.^^
Parents shouldn't teach their kids of how to handle firearms...they should teach them how to wield a sword! *sarcasm*
Aazealh said:I agree that no matter how underpowered one might think .22-caliber rifles are, they're still way too dangerous to give to a kid. And I'm talking 14 year old here, not 8.
Funny enough I was thinking about the Mary Bell case as well, but there was a very different murder all together even more brutal then this case.Aazealh said:That's true, and I don't think there's a point in discussing whether it was right or not to kill an abusive father before it's actually confirmed he was abused. Maybe the boy's just a psychopath like Mary Bell and his dad's simply a victim.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:but there was a very different murder all together even more brutal then this.
Ramen4ever said:Not bad Ed, not bad. But on a real note, I agree that teaching kids to "handle" firearms is not the right thing to do. Teaching them that firearms are dangerous and deadly weapons that need to be respected.. that is an acceptable lesson.
SimplyEd said:Not to mention the often overlooked lesson that "life" is something that needs to be respected.
Seriously, this sort of problem will never truly disappear as long as there are reckless people that are seemingly overburdened with their own responsibilities.
Plus, it's quite easy to come up with an easy scapegoat in such a situation. If something like that happened around where i live, the officials and politicians would be quite quick to come up with lots of ludicrous reasons of why something like that could have happened.
Lately it has been quite popular to blame various types of media and entertainment for extreme cases of violence, like videogames or certain movies. But that's just utter crap, coming from people who just want to push that sort of responsibility away from themselves and just want to jump on the next best witch-hunt bandwagon.
Now, there are a lot of elements that come into play for a certain type of behaviour of an individual, but the decision to ultimately act in a certain manner is the sole responsibility of that individual. I'm just saying that sometimes, there really doesn't have to be a reason for something to happen, but it still does happen.
Scorpio said:But... Tried as an adult? Really? He's eight.
Ramen4ever said:Unless abuse is suspected and confirmed I don't see any problem with trying a murderer as an adult. Killing someone at 8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18... doesn't really make a difference if you pull the trigger willingly and on purpose. I mean.. it's not like you can shoot TWO people by accident.
Ramen4ever said:Unless abuse is suspected and confirmed I don't see any problem with trying a murderer as an adult.