Doc said:I wonder how the old Griffith would've reacted to Rickert's affront? My guess is probably not much differently.
Aazealh said:It's hard to compare since the old Griffith never stood in a similar position. I mean not only does he deserve Rickert's anger (a fact he's knowledged on the Hill of Swords), but he's also in such a powerful position that this kind of affront, as you put it, is rather meaningless. So I think it's a lot easier for him to forgive something like this now than it would have been back when he was still vying for power as a man.
Doc said:I was trying to imagine a scenario wherein Griffith had achieved his dream at the expense of the Falcons but retained his old personality. I do think that in either case Griffith would've kept up appearances as the magnanimous ruler before his subjects instead of having Rickert sent to the gallows.
Aazealh said:Well I think that's a tall order. What old personality are you referring to exactly? Because the change Griffith underwent wasn't only through his rebirth as Femto. His fall as a mortal man had already changed him as well, which is part of why he chose to sacrifice them.
Doc said:If THIS Griffith had been reborn, albeit with the all the powers of a God Hand
Aazealh said:But that Griffith was reborn with the power of a member of the God Hand. He was reborn as Femto. You're confusing the notions of "rebirth" and "incarnation".
Doc said:Nah, I know the difference between the two. I was merely entertaining the idea of Griffith retaining his original self, or elements thereof, whether it was during the Eclipse or the Occultation ceremony.
Doc said:Something I'd be interested to know people's take on, is whether Femto is essentially affecting Neo-Griffith, or whether Neo-Griffith is 'programmed' to act this way? I'm guessing that because he can seemingly switch to Femto mode at will, that would be suggest the former.
Doc said:However, Femto obviously doesn't have complete control over his new form because of the demon child's instincts - and the as yet unrevealed nature of the Moonlight kid.
Aazealh said:But... he has retained many elements of his old self. Femto is not a completely different being from Griffith. He was born from him. Also, "Eclipse" and "Occultation ceremony" refer to the same event.
Aazealh said:For all intents and purposes, the Griffith currently standing in the garden is Femto. When we say Femto was incarnated into a new Griffith, it means Femto, who existed as an immaterial being, became a being of flesh. He acquired a corporeal form, a living and breathing body. One that coincidentally looks exactly like his former one did, before he became a member of the God Hand. So it's really not a matter of Femto affecting Griffith like a puppeteer or Griffith being pre-programmed like an automaton. Femto came down to the world at the end of volume 21. Femto walks among men. And he's calling himself Griffith.
This "Neo-Griffith" stuff isn't necessary, and reminds me of posts in the 2002-era. Does he really need three names? When you say "Griffith" now, everyone knows who you're talking about.Doc said:as to whether Neo-Griffith really is just Femto in a different skin
Doc said:That's what I intimated originally, that Femto is simply putting on an act.
Doc said:It's interesting that you believe it to be that simple. I would like to see this explored further on here.