Kenoh-Sama
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Re: "Re forgiveness
Ok. My Belief is that Guts did Love Griffith and Griffith did love Guts. Griffith gave Guts a reason to Live. In return Griffith would not have been as successfull without Guts. Griffiths rise in the royal hierchy was due to Guts performance on the field. As Griffith was taking the royal glory Guts was taking the war fare glory. They both fed off each other. Griffith was not this do as your told fucked up guy. Griffith was comfortable around Guts. He actually loosend up a couple of times. If Griffth told him how much he appreciates what Guts does for him I'm sure this whole thing would have been avoided. Griffith is too ...aloof to do anything that simple. That's how I see their relationship. Griffith wasn't evil. He had doubts about what what he was doing. Remember when he man-whored himself to Gannon? He felt sick about and pretty much self-mutilated himself. That is the version of Griffith I actually like.
The Festival Griffith/Femto is another matter.
I can say that that's the true nature of Griffith brought forth. He's completely embraced his dream regardless of the consequences. This is the one I call selfish. This is the one I can say is as close to evil as he can be. This is the one that sacrificed his men, ruined Guts's life and raped Casca. That no matter what he says is unforgivable. It's not just Guts' forgiveness that in question but Casca's, Judou's, Pippen, Corkus and all the unamed faces who died. It's a huge act. That cannot be realistically forgiven.
As for Guts rape attemp of Casca I can say it's quite different from what Femto did to Casca. When Femto raped her he was in his right mind. Totally and 100% in control of his actions. That equated with the fact that their was obvious malice intent behind what he did. Guts' was not anywhere in his right mind. The Beast was all over him. It's a strong factor in his psyche. He had no control. Casca's screams snapped him out of it. Her screams didn't stop Femto. It would take nothing short of turning back the clock and change the past to make Guts or anyone forgive Griffith.
That's what I thought, too. To rape Caska in front of Guts' eyes is all the same as he himself is raped by Femto.
Guts;
1)lost his all friends
2)lost his arm and right eye
3)lost his good human nature almost which was being recovered by relationship with Caska and the Hawk members
4)the same as raped by Femto
but you know our Guts is the one who resists his severe fate.
Once Griffith(on this board) said like this, of the main characters
Guts is the only one fighting his causality on the contrary of Griffith and Caska.
Griffith is the one who has a strong fixation on his dream which he believes it's his fate. Caska, usless to say, is just a poor sacrifice till now after the eclipse.
In this point, the two guys are destined to be antagonistic to either of them.
So "forgiveness" which I said above is like Guts will understand what Griffith's fate is and once Guts himself was the only one who might change Griffith's fate.
and in the end of scene, Guts also will realize he totally tips over fate of dream of his ex-friend's after all.
that's what I said "forgiveness"
It's not like that "hey, old buddy, I was wrong. Sorry"
"Ok.forget it. don't do like that next time .we're friends again"
Ok. My Belief is that Guts did Love Griffith and Griffith did love Guts. Griffith gave Guts a reason to Live. In return Griffith would not have been as successfull without Guts. Griffiths rise in the royal hierchy was due to Guts performance on the field. As Griffith was taking the royal glory Guts was taking the war fare glory. They both fed off each other. Griffith was not this do as your told fucked up guy. Griffith was comfortable around Guts. He actually loosend up a couple of times. If Griffth told him how much he appreciates what Guts does for him I'm sure this whole thing would have been avoided. Griffith is too ...aloof to do anything that simple. That's how I see their relationship. Griffith wasn't evil. He had doubts about what what he was doing. Remember when he man-whored himself to Gannon? He felt sick about and pretty much self-mutilated himself. That is the version of Griffith I actually like.
The Festival Griffith/Femto is another matter.
I can say that that's the true nature of Griffith brought forth. He's completely embraced his dream regardless of the consequences. This is the one I call selfish. This is the one I can say is as close to evil as he can be. This is the one that sacrificed his men, ruined Guts's life and raped Casca. That no matter what he says is unforgivable. It's not just Guts' forgiveness that in question but Casca's, Judou's, Pippen, Corkus and all the unamed faces who died. It's a huge act. That cannot be realistically forgiven.
As for Guts rape attemp of Casca I can say it's quite different from what Femto did to Casca. When Femto raped her he was in his right mind. Totally and 100% in control of his actions. That equated with the fact that their was obvious malice intent behind what he did. Guts' was not anywhere in his right mind. The Beast was all over him. It's a strong factor in his psyche. He had no control. Casca's screams snapped him out of it. Her screams didn't stop Femto. It would take nothing short of turning back the clock and change the past to make Guts or anyone forgive Griffith.