Griffith No More! said:Personally, it was just another shot of Griffith's face. The hype over it is really too much. =)
Griffith No More! said:Personally, it was just another shot of Griffith's face. The hype over it is really too much. =)
ZODDOII said:Wow, great episode! Thanks SKNET! Thanks !
I think this one must be more than a myriameter...
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc45/urizen2/22-2copy.jpg?t=1206757611
Sanguinius said:Am I the only one that thinks of Hobbes' Leviathan when I see this?
http://www.york.ac.uk/crems/images/leviathan%20Image.jpg
mike.william said:I have a hard time believing that Griffith is going to completely embrace this 'era of darkness' if the events happening now are any indication of how miserable it's going to be. It doesn't make sense that he'd yearn so long for this kingdom if he were only going to let it go to shit. He might be evil, but I think the era of darkness would put too large a stain on his trophy.
Baldulf said:That was somehow to be expected though,since the city was deserted there was no point in defeating Ganishka there,but I was expecting something more epic than a Cthulhu-like squid.
Rhombaad said:Along those lines, I wouldn't be surprised if he did some sort of final, suicidal, explosion or something (hard to describe, but I hope you get what I'm trying to say) in order to take Griffith out with him, rather than letting himself be killed by The Hawk.
HawaiianStallion said:Does Ganishka's new form remind anyone else of the blob that attacked Mozgus's tower? Eerily similar to me.
Griffith No More! said:And wow, even Zodd is shitting his pants.
Griffith No More! said:Anyway, this is pretty satisfying for me, because I for one was expecting sheer size to make him impressive (a Ganishka staple already)
Griffith No More! said:I like this because it basically implies that he's more than a single being or entity at this point, but an evil force of nature, while totally powerful, unstable and perhaps beyond even his total control. He basically embodies something gone too far now
JetBlack said:That "form" (we don't know yet the whole form) seems to me the blob (so the fire will burn and kill him?)
DetriusXii said:Anyone else worried about Daiba?
Walter said:I wonder about the reliability of Daiba's statement here, if he's right on or just exaggerating. Because now I'm wondering about the longterm implications of this eruption from hell. As Yota speculated in the translation thread, we are wondering if Ganishka has taken on some properties of the Vortex of Souls.
Walter said:Which leads me to Sonia's nuclear bomb of a line [...] I think this event, whatever the implications, may set the stage for the next era of the series, and Im not just talking about getting Griffith on a throne.
Walter said:As Griff alluded to in the translation thread, I wonder if this is what Griffith bargained for when he reached for his kingdom, or if he's now gotten a raw deal. Which would be perfectly justified by the full-page look of intensity he gives in this episode.
jackson_hurley said:Maybe Ganishka still has some part of him under the ground (could be like some kind of trap if some apostles are getting close to him).
dimasok said:the form has changed from the first page (huge blob) to something with more clearly delineated contours (on the last page) that looks like a towering leviathan.
mike.william said:I have a hard time believing that Griffith is going to completely embrace this 'era of darkness' if the events happening now are any indication of how miserable it's going to be. It doesn't make sense that he'd yearn so long for this kingdom if he were only going to let it go to shit. He might be evil, but I think the era of darkness would put too large a stain on his trophy.
Draulix said:The only thing laking was simply put, where was SkullKnight?
Griffith No More! said:It depends on if the vortex itself is what Daiba would consider Hell, or if he even knows what he's talking about since even Flora was shifty. One prominent reference to Hell was in ye old lost episode where Griffith asks Idea if they're in Hell, so did Ganish steal something from the vortex, the Abyss, or just something no less deep in the astral realm but more generally; meaning, he touched the bottom, but there was no awkward moment with Idea while he was down there. Or, basically, could he go to those layers without going to those specific "landmarks?"
Griffith No More! said:I think this is just the natural climax of what began with Griffith's rebirth; everything has happened because of that, and with his direct influence, right down to him telling Ganishka the time and the place they would end it and sending him down this path. It could have been that Griffith did this all by instinct or foreknowledge, but Hell, he could have also straight up planned it from his own expertise and Rakshas' reconnaissance. Probably a little of both; call it fate.
Griffith No More! said:I think the best example is Slan's appearance and her revelation that the worlds are coming together, or overlapping, and so God Hand members can basically appear in the real world at will as she did.
Griffith No More! said:I have two questions if Ganishka is indeed inflating with some evil part of the astral world, "Hell overflowing", first, what exactly does that mean, and second, what's going to happen when that baloon gets popped? For the first question, dropping pregnant women into that incubator would connect them to the astral world, so is Ganishka now basically serving the same function in reverse, bringing the astral world into the real world? Or to put it another way, is Ganishka in a sense working like a reverse vortex, like the ones we've seen the Count, Wyald, and Qliphoth get sucked into, except in this case the astral world is being sucked out? So, if he's destroyed, does that negative energy go with him, or does it all come flowing out like in Ghostbusters?
Walter said:I think Ganishka has infested the astral world with his presence, the incubator "popped" and out spilled physical hell.
Waychel said:Shadow of the Colossus Ganishka?!
Smith said:Griffith is over all but hell look at his expression, when was the last time he has such serious expression? (More than 23 volumes ago? It's just priceless!)
Smith said:And Aaz look like what you hope is coming through, Ganishka is not going down without a real challenging battle, or I should say WAR... Heck we didn't even know what would work against that monstrosity (Magic is the most probable solution but for enemy that size its... )
Smith said:AH YES! How could Miura forget about him??! He should deserve a panel somewhere far in a forest staring at the direction where the great Godishka is (Just like how the rest stare at him!)
Smith said:P.S: Did you guys realise that his many-arms appearance is not so much of a coincidence, Does anyone still remember the statue of a Hindu goddess behind his throne?
Smith said:it was mentioned the 4 kings who bought destruction to the ancient midland.
Smith said:Oh wait! We have seen Void and Slann reaching the size of a mountain in volume 13 when they first appeared... Could Void have been this size back then?
Graywords said:Not sure if it's what Miura had in mind or not, but this picture and the article beneath it made for interesting brain fodder, in relation to this episode
Gaiserik said:Yes, but he don't a comparation with two images, in this you see so much better the resemblance, even the myst and mountains are similar in this picture.
Gaiserik said:But if you want see other new from episode 295, check it
Is the Notre Dame of Paris
vlad said:I'm getting the feeling that the upcoming conflict betwen Griffith and Ganishka is going to be resolved in a sort of anticlimactic manner. To elaborate: given that the dream that all the people of Midland shared was spot on as far as the new form of Gani goes, it is fair to assume that the Hawk of Light is also going to appear, thusly ending the proceedings in a matter similar to the Zodd dream sequence.
vlad said:IMHO it'd be cool to give us a glimpse and then switch to the boat and have Schierke serve as the interpretor
JetBlack said:Mmmm the funny thing is that all this is a part of Karma I think. The most powerful is the enemy (he seems the hell no?) the most Griffith is a hero after the battle.
JetBlack said:a horrible hell's blob.
DetriusXii said:We know Guts and Casca left Idea's story by entering the Abyss and survive it. They were destined to die but ended up surviving. And they happen to create a sphere of influence around them allowing other travelers to leave the predestined fate Idea has planned. Flora, Schierke, and Skullknight being three other cases of having left the story set up by the Idea of Evil.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:What makes you so certain that the balloon actually needs to pop? Its effects can start taking effect right now, but won't show right away.
Smith said:With the way Miura introduced Ganishka's new form and Griffith's serious expression, there is no way Ganishka is going down just like that...
I mean Griffith has finally met up his match, if not why bother to let him (Ganishka) live till now? Miura would have killed him off back in vol. 32 if he was to pose no serious threat to Griffith in future (I mean what'd be the point?).
deathbybears said:It would make sense. Skullknight seems to reside someplace outside fate
deathbybears said:Because Guts and Casca weren't consumed during the eclipse, might that mean that Griffith lacks the power of his full potential?
Sanguinius said:Am I the only one that thinks of Hobbes' Leviathan when I see this?
Ramen4ever said:Aaz.. you just won this thread.
Funkmasta Zeph said:You think that Griffith is still going after a kingdom and nothing else?
Did you skip all the volumes between now and 11 or what?
Well you're right in one regard in that Griffith hasn't been THAT specific about his additional goals. As Aaz said earlier in the thread, Griffith's state of mind has been guarded since his scene with Guts in Volume 22. But if you want some extra insight into his motivations, there's this scene in Volume 3 where he actually opens up for a change. Translation is by Perineum Falcon, with help from Olivier Hague circa 2002:mike.william said:I don't remember any ulterior ambitions being presented for Griffith. He wanted his kingdom....and what else?
Griff got his answer to what his true role was when he became a member of the God Hand. But what their ultimate goal is, outside of ushering in an Age of Darkness, we're still in our own Age of Darkness on. Though, as Griff, Aaz and myself have already postulated, the phenomena we're seeing in this episode could very well be one of the few true manifestations of their plans.Page 123
Griffith: In this world there are those who were born as keys, and having no connection with the social hierarchy established by man, move the world.
This, the universe's golden rule, establishes the true elite…
The people who possess the power of God.
... I want to know.
Why I am on this world.
What is possible by who ...
(Thereby) Establishing what I should do.
Walter said:Griff got his answer to what his true role was when he became a member of the God Hand. But what their ultimate goal is, outside of ushering in an Age of Darkness, we're still in our own Age of Darkness on.
That's not that farfetched really. I hate to just keep posting translations, but I think the answer to your questions are here, really:mike.william said:I always interpretted his role in god hand as something similar to that of the role of the apostles : "do what you want". ... I'm probably only allowed it interpret it this way due to the lack of insight given in the story up to this point, or maybe I'm just missing the subtleties completely.
EndLeSS8 said:2 questions:
-Was something like this in Griffith's plans? Did he expect something like this to occur?
-Is something like this big enough to screw up Griffith's plan to take a kingdom? What I mean is that, with Ganeshka being such a immensely powerful force now, is it going to cause Griffith to act too quickly/unstably, like what happened when Guts left the original Band of the Hawk?
The other translator simply didn't know what the F#ck he/she was talking about. See for yourself.dimasok said:I was wondering about the translation I read here
"The world of objection is finished". The one which sounds better to me is "It will end. The laws of this world will now end."
Aazealh said:The point would be that Ganishka just pumped himself full of the essence of the evil part of the astral world, and that when dying he could very well release all that essence into the physical world, which would likely result in a dramatical acceleration of the merging process that was started with Femto's incarnation as a new Griffith in volume 21. Don't you understand? Killing Ganishka is beyond the point. It's gone too far for that now. I feel like you're asking if Carcus is going to accept Guts as the new leader of the Band of the Hawk while the Eclipse is about to start.
Aazealh said:Well, I've got to honor Ganishka's new gigantic body with an appropriate tribute: this post!
The way I see it, Ganishka has been pumping himself full of evil spiritual energy, bringing the worlds together while doing so. Obviously we can't tell what will happen when he dies at this point, but I favor a case of all the evil within him staying in the material world, flowing out exactly like what you described (though not necessarily involving the Vortex of Souls itself). The comparison with Ghostbusters is in fact surprisingly pertinent here. If the worlds aren't closer to each other than they've ever been already, then they will be whenever Ganishka loses control over himself. And it's interesting because this shows how evil Griffith is, as he no doubt knew something of the sort would happen, and had a hand in deliberately provoking it. Of course we knew it already, but it's a great example of how insidious he is. Anyway, if things turn out that way, it seems an incredibly effective method of bringing a lot of "evil" to the world in a very short time.
I also wonder what it'd look like. Nuclear explosion and a perpetual night ever after, or Ganishka disintegrates, everything seems normal, but an extremely profound change has occurred that people will only start noticing later on? The amount of spiritual energy within him could take on a more neutral form, "only" achieving the merging of the worlds without taking on a demonic form.
The other possibility you mentioned is interesting, but right now I just don't see it happening for many reasons. I don't think all that evil, which isn't even defined in the first place, could be destroyed or disappear just like that. It's just not enough of an entity to me. At worst it'd go back, like the apostles go to the Vortex of Souls when they die. But the whole point of the thing, beyond the puppet show we're seeing, seems to be bringing evil into the world and to have the worlds merge, so that wouldn't make sense. And just killing Ganishka and destroying a lot of the "evil" of the world seems counterproductive to me. Especially since as far as we know it wouldn't benefit Griffith or the rest of the God Hand at all. They themselves are evil creatures, that's where their power comes from. I guess it could work in a Moorcock-like conception where evil would represent Chaos and good would represent Law, but that's reaching too far to me. And anyway, I doubt Ganishka has absorbed enough evil to do that.
Since we're talking about this though, I'm wondering if Griffith will have some sort of control over the evil forces at work within Ganishka. Could he just raise his hands and have Ganishka start boiling and dissolving into the pure evil he pumped out of the astral world?